GM talks dirty about Toyota
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Re: GM talks dirty about Toyota
In this media bias that is always talked about (I do see it also), is there any relationship to the level of severity of the recall versus the publicity? i.e. Ford trucks catch on fire and burn down peoples homes, versus a small non-safety related recall? Maybe not, but worth looking into.
I'd rather see GM talk about thier reduction in recalls and increase in quality rather than "the other guys" increase in recalls and decrease in quality. They are seeing the leveling of the playing field the wrong way.
People will buy based on thier own experiences. If I hadn't had my last bad experience, I'd still be just as brand loyal as all of you, but there are reasons for peoples choices, that go way beyond perception.
I'd rather see GM talk about thier reduction in recalls and increase in quality rather than "the other guys" increase in recalls and decrease in quality. They are seeing the leveling of the playing field the wrong way.
People will buy based on thier own experiences. If I hadn't had my last bad experience, I'd still be just as brand loyal as all of you, but there are reasons for peoples choices, that go way beyond perception.
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Re: GM talks dirty about Toyota
If you want to follow the Secular European culture and have a very high Jobless rate along with a lower standard of living???
By all means, get an outsiders view... ...
Anti-American is more often then not Jealousy.
By all means, get an outsiders view... ...
Anti-American is more often then not Jealousy.
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Re: GM talks dirty about Toyota
Originally Posted by JG/70Z
Must you Americans turn everything into a political debate? 
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Originally Posted by Jason E
Well put. I thought I was Republican until he showed up. I realized quickly my heart isn't in it anymore
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Re: GM talks dirty about Toyota
Originally Posted by Threxx
Wow... GM ranks well in JD Power and next thing you know they're trash talking Toyota? That's so sad it's almost funny. I mean not only in regard to recalls is that like the cast iron pot calling the aluminum skillet black, but it's particularly bad because GM knows they have been sucking nuts compared to Toyota for the last couple of decades and they as soon as they pull 'even' (arguable), they act like "we're finally here, Toyota sucks, we are the champions, my friend". lol
But this is a neverending race... so GM needs to continue to focus on what's ahead.
GM, as a whole, has still not come close to exceeding Toyota, as a whole, in terms of long term durability and quality. 90 day initial defects or what not, maybe... I dunno... I don't care about my first 90 days nearly as much as how long it takes a car to wear out over the long term.
But this is a neverending race... so GM needs to continue to focus on what's ahead.
GM, as a whole, has still not come close to exceeding Toyota, as a whole, in terms of long term durability and quality. 90 day initial defects or what not, maybe... I dunno... I don't care about my first 90 days nearly as much as how long it takes a car to wear out over the long term.
you know, I didn't get past page one of this thread.........
Threxx..........show me the numbers, please.
Go to JD Power and SHOW ME THE NUMBERS.
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Re: GM talks dirty about Toyota
"GM talks dirty about Toyota"
Ha! This "dirty" equals realistic. Now is the time to capitalize on GM's constant quality versus Toyota's, as well as many others, quality perception despite the lack thereof.
Ha! This "dirty" equals realistic. Now is the time to capitalize on GM's constant quality versus Toyota's, as well as many others, quality perception despite the lack thereof.
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Re: GM talks dirty about Toyota
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Re: GM talks dirty about Toyota
Originally Posted by Fbodfather
you know, I didn't get past page one of this thread.........
Threxx..........show me the numbers, please.
Go to JD Power and SHOW ME THE NUMBERS.
Threxx..........show me the numbers, please.
Go to JD Power and SHOW ME THE NUMBERS.
http://www.jdpower.com/presspass/pr/images/2005089a.gif
That's only 3 year quality, which Toyota is still comfortably ahead overall if you want to do the time to do the math based on volume and such.
I can't find any complete compilation of their truely long term studies (which I think is based on 7-8 year old cars), but I'd suspect the gap only widens further. Show me the numbers.
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Re: GM talks dirty about Toyota
Originally Posted by Fbodfather
you know, I didn't get past page one of this thread.........
Threxx..........show me the numbers, please.
Go to JD Power and SHOW ME THE NUMBERS.
Threxx..........show me the numbers, please.
Go to JD Power and SHOW ME THE NUMBERS.
Now you did it...Not only is Kyle good at expressing his opinions and expressing them often...he's also about as numbers-friendly kind of guy you can meet. You called him out to show you #'s... He'll probably come up with a theorem for precisely gauging long term quality, durability, and dependability for you.
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Re: GM talks dirty about Toyota
Well in case you don't want to do the math by volume on the 2005 survey since they don't "group" the car companies into their respective HQ brands, the 2004 survey does:
http://www.jdpa.com/presspass/pr/images/2004055a.gif
Good enough?
Again, that's for 3-year.
Personally I'd like to see the results on 7-10 years or so.
http://www.jdpa.com/presspass/pr/images/2004055a.gif
Good enough?
Again, that's for 3-year.
Personally I'd like to see the results on 7-10 years or so.
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Re: GM talks dirty about Toyota
Originally Posted by Meccadeth
Now you did it...Not only is Kyle good at expressing his opinions and expressing them often...he's also about as numbers-friendly kind of guy you can meet. You called him out to show you #'s... He'll probably come up with a theorem for precisely gauging long term quality, durability, and dependability for you.
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Re: GM talks dirty about Toyota
Originally Posted by Chrome383Z
If you want to follow the Secular European culture and have a very high Jobless rate along with a lower standard of living???
By all means, get an outsiders view... ...
Anti-American is more often then not Jealousy.
By all means, get an outsiders view... ...
Anti-American is more often then not Jealousy.
I wasn't gonna do it, but WTF! 
Since I know it 
a certain nuthugger! The bias is there, and it's been there for years, it's about time GM stepped up to the plate, they can't expect ANY of the autofags to do this stuff!
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Re: GM talks dirty about Toyota
Originally Posted by SCNGENNFTHGEN
I wasn't gonna do it, but WTF! Since I know it a certain nuthugger! The bias is there, and it's been there for years, it's about time GM stepped up to the plate, they can't expect ANY of the autofags to do this stuff! Hint: it often involves the overuse of the
icon and the lack of the ability to formulate ones own unique opinion, as well as the typical lack of ability to comprehend opinions too far outside those you have chosen as your own.Also known as riding somebody else's coattails.