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Old Sep 25, 2005 | 01:06 PM
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GM talks dirty about Toyota

http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/21/news...reut/index.htm

I got the link off a certain import site, and man are they having a field day with it.
Old Sep 25, 2005 | 01:07 PM
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I don't think that GM should be talking about recalls, BUT Toyota is not top of the game in Quality. Lexus yes but Toyota and Scion NO.
Old Sep 25, 2005 | 01:11 PM
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I just re-read the article and caught this:

"Smith expressed confidence, however, that GM would retain the top spot as far out as 2015..."

So GM is expecting to be overtaken down the road? That's not good.
Old Sep 25, 2005 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JG/70Z
So GM is expecting to be overtaken down the road? That's not good.
Yea, that's a weird statement. It would seem that if one's crystal ball was good enough to predict when they're going to drop out of first place, then they'd also be able to start putting in place some countermeasures to keep it from happening - especially when the event is as much as a decade away.

I simply cannot comprehend why GM would want to start pointing fingers at other automakers over the number of recalls. If there's anything that GM should avoid calling attention to, it's that topic.

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Old Sep 25, 2005 | 05:20 PM
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Wow... GM ranks well in JD Power and next thing you know they're trash talking Toyota? That's so sad it's almost funny. I mean not only in regard to recalls is that like the cast iron pot calling the aluminum skillet black, but it's particularly bad because GM knows they have been sucking nuts compared to Toyota for the last couple of decades and they as soon as they pull 'even' (arguable), they act like "we're finally here, Toyota sucks, we are the champions, my friend". lol
But this is a neverending race... so GM needs to continue to focus on what's ahead.

GM, as a whole, has still not come close to exceeding Toyota, as a whole, in terms of long term durability and quality. 90 day initial defects or what not, maybe... I dunno... I don't care about my first 90 days nearly as much as how long it takes a car to wear out over the long term.

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Old Sep 25, 2005 | 05:31 PM
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Wow... GM ranks well in JD Power and next thing you know they're trash talking Toyota? That's so sad it's almost funny. I mean not only in regard to recalls is that like the cast iron pot calling the aluminum skillet black, but it's particularly bad because GM knows they have been sucking nuts compared to Toyota for the last couple of decades and they as soon as they pull 'even' (arguable), they act like "we're finally here, Toyota sucks, we are the champions, my friend". lol
But this is a neverending race... so GM needs to continue to focus on what's ahead.

GM, as a whole, has still not come close to exceeding Toyota, as a whole, in terms of long term durability and quality. 90 day initial defects or what not, maybe... I dunno... I don't care about my first 90 days nearly as much as how long it takes a car to wear out over the long term.
Actually GM has done Great in JD Powers for the last few years.
Old Sep 25, 2005 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JG/70Z
I just re-read the article and caught this:

"Smith expressed confidence, however, that GM would retain the top spot as far out as 2015..."

So GM is expecting to be overtaken down the road? That's not good.
Plot out a worldwide market share graph over the last few decades and it'll become painfully obvious.

I'm actually impressed he felt confident about holding the lead until 2015. That's two product cycles away (in the market, at least), and it would be foolish to predict anything out further than that. So he's basically saying that for the foreseeable future he doesn't expect Toyota to overtake GM. I hope that's true.
Old Sep 25, 2005 | 06:35 PM
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I don't think he was saying "we'll lose the lead after 2015". I think he was saying "we'll still be ahead in 2015".
Old Sep 25, 2005 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by poSSum
I don't think he was saying "we'll lose the lead after 2015". I think he was saying "we'll still be ahead in 2015".
No unless he meant to use different wording he essentially said "I'm confident GM will stay on top for as long as 2015"

In other words he's saying it could happen sooner but after 2015 it very well may happen.
Old Sep 25, 2005 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by poSSum
I don't think he was saying "we'll lose the lead after 2015". I think he was saying "we'll still be ahead in 2015".
yeah i think hes saying this too. People over-analyze stuff too much...
Old Sep 25, 2005 | 07:09 PM
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Why would he be telling people they'll still be on top in 2015? What's so special about that year?

I thought the wording stated simply enough that they'd be ahead until ("as far as") 2015. He probably had his fingers crossed when he said it too.
Old Sep 25, 2005 | 07:31 PM
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You guys are way over analysing this. What he's basically saying is "we'll never be overtaken."

Sheesh!
Old Sep 25, 2005 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by poSSum
I don't think he was saying "we'll lose the lead after 2015". I think he was saying "we'll still be ahead in 2015".
That's how I read it. You can't really expect him to say what's going to be the case in 50 years. He went as far as ten years down the road and said he is confident about it. How could he really be confident about 20 or 30 years out? He'd just be blowing smoke at that point. You never know what will happen over that long of a period. But he might know what is likely to happen over a ten year span.
Old Sep 25, 2005 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Threxx
.....GM, as a whole, has still not come close to exceeding Toyota, as a whole, in terms of long term durability and quality. 90 day initial defects or what not, maybe... I dunno... I don't care about my first 90 days nearly as much as how long it takes a car to wear out over the long term.
I love how people who don't even drive a GM vehicle, think that they can make ignorant comments like this as if they have any facts to back it up....takes more than repeating the same drivel over and again to make it fact.

GM is doing just fine in all the polling that matters.....I'm tired of the smoke & mirrors coming from Toyota being taken as gospel....about time GM called them on it.
Old Sep 25, 2005 | 08:07 PM
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I don't care how well Toyota is doing or how many they've sold. People are dumb enough to make POS movies no.1 in the box office, I don't see them thinking any differently towards cars when it "looks" fast and feels comfortable....Let's buy it, even if it is overpriced!!



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