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Large, bloated coupe = Monte Carlo
Smaller, athletic, nimble coupe = Camaro.
It's just that simple to me. More interior room would be fantastic...but the car shouldn't increase in exterior dimensions to provide that. A GTO-based Camaro doesn't appeal to me at first, or even second, thought. I'd have to see the finished product to be sure.
Smaller, athletic, nimble coupe = Camaro.
It's just that simple to me. More interior room would be fantastic...but the car shouldn't increase in exterior dimensions to provide that. A GTO-based Camaro doesn't appeal to me at first, or even second, thought. I'd have to see the finished product to be sure.
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What about Buick
It seems that on VE light's platform we can share vehicles with other brands ala chevy, pontiac etc. As I remember we originally all speculated that SIGMA would carry the Camaro after a while and that Buick would get a variant(Which later turned to SAAB) and now we know that Cadillac will not share with anyone it's coveted Sigma platform.
Are the plans for the SAAB corssover (9-X? and a Grand National) now completely out of the question?
If Buick does get a twin GTO for it's showroom it would blend well with it's image of "luxury" coupe and rival popular Import's just as well as the GTO can, leaving a nibler Camaro version for the Mustang sales etc.
As far as Monte Carlo is concerned, maybe GM will discontinue it and use the another name for it.. hmm maybe Corvair? or Chevette? or maybe something totally out of the blue like...
Chevrolet Spark?
I'm sorry it's lunch time and I'm hungry but seriously what about a Buickk Variant off Sigma VE?
Are the plans for the SAAB corssover (9-X? and a Grand National) now completely out of the question?
If Buick does get a twin GTO for it's showroom it would blend well with it's image of "luxury" coupe and rival popular Import's just as well as the GTO can, leaving a nibler Camaro version for the Mustang sales etc.
As far as Monte Carlo is concerned, maybe GM will discontinue it and use the another name for it.. hmm maybe Corvair? or Chevette? or maybe something totally out of the blue like...
Chevrolet Spark?
I'm sorry it's lunch time and I'm hungry but seriously what about a Buickk Variant off Sigma VE?
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Re: What about Buick
Originally posted by ced8
...I'm sorry it's lunch time and I'm hungry but seriously what about a Buickk Variant off Sigma VE?
...I'm sorry it's lunch time and I'm hungry but seriously what about a Buickk Variant off Sigma VE?
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Originally posted by formula79
But it will be about the same size a first Gen...
But it will be about the same size a first Gen...
What I want is a modern 5th gen that doesn't look like a two door sedan.
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Originally posted by Z284ever
I wish that we could get off of this whole 1st gen paradigm. The 1st gen became obsolete in 1970. If I wanted a 1st gen ...I'd just go and buy one.
What I want is a modern 5th gen that doesn't look like a two door sedan.
I wish that we could get off of this whole 1st gen paradigm. The 1st gen became obsolete in 1970. If I wanted a 1st gen ...I'd just go and buy one.
What I want is a modern 5th gen that doesn't look like a two door sedan.
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I wish that we could get off of this whole 1st gen paradigm. The 1st gen became obsolete in 1970. If I wanted a 1st gen ...I'd just go and buy one.
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I guess I'm just too easy ...
All I want is a reasonably attractive 2 + 2 Coupe with RWD and a manual transmission that bests the 4th gen in straight line performance, handling (especially autoX), passenger comfort (I don't think there's much room to improve on driver comfort) and comes in reasonably well equipped at under $40K Canadian and as a full load convertible for under $60K Canadian.
I don't really care if they badge it Daewoo and use a 3 cylinder (that sounds like a V8) as long as it meets the other parameters.
All I want is a reasonably attractive 2 + 2 Coupe with RWD and a manual transmission that bests the 4th gen in straight line performance, handling (especially autoX), passenger comfort (I don't think there's much room to improve on driver comfort) and comes in reasonably well equipped at under $40K Canadian and as a full load convertible for under $60K Canadian.
I don't really care if they badge it Daewoo and use a 3 cylinder (that sounds like a V8) as long as it meets the other parameters.
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Originally posted by dnovotny
Ditto x2. If this is what we get, and there also isn't a Trans Am available with aggressive styling, GM is off my shopping list.
Ditto x2. If this is what we get, and there also isn't a Trans Am available with aggressive styling, GM is off my shopping list.
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There's no doubt in my mind the VE will be versitle enough to support both a Camaro-ish car and a larger Monte like car. This is a Holden venture, it'll be quite a bit different than what GM NA spoonfeeds us.
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Not like it makes a whole lot of difference, but I noticed you mentioned "6G1" .. G1 is the code for Chevrolet. Always has been, since they went to 17-digit VINs in 1981. So I doubt it'll be G1. Probably G2 (Pontiac) or G5 (the only other code I can think of on a Pontiac (89TTA)), if anything.
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Originally posted by Z284ever
I wish that we could get off of this whole 1st gen paradigm. The 1st gen became obsolete in 1970. If I wanted a 1st gen ...I'd just go and buy one.
What I want is a modern 5th gen that doesn't look like a two door sedan.
I wish that we could get off of this whole 1st gen paradigm. The 1st gen became obsolete in 1970. If I wanted a 1st gen ...I'd just go and buy one.
What I want is a modern 5th gen that doesn't look like a two door sedan.
But the 1sts weren't exactly sedan-like as the new GTO is. A GTO-like Camaro is NOT the way to go. I want the low agressive look.
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Exactly...if the Camaro is a rebadged GTO (aka upright coupe), forget it...I will definitely invest in a 20-30k mile IROC at that point, and own what in my opinion, are two of the best looking REAL Camaros ever made...
Someone said it best...first gen died in '70, so for the love of god, leave it there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Someone said it best...first gen died in '70, so for the love of god, leave it there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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Originally posted by Jason E
Exactly...if the Camaro is a rebadged GTO (aka upright coupe), forget it...
Exactly...if the Camaro is a rebadged GTO (aka upright coupe), forget it...
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...hreadid=136019
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Originally posted by Jason E
But consider this...I put studded snows on my old '89 Camaro, and it was every bit as good as my mom's FWD '98 GP GT she used to have, with normal tires. But I put regular snows on my '02 Grand Am, and what happened? I got through snowstorms this past winter where the only things on the road were me, SUVs and snowplows...in terms of all-out capability, its hard to beat FWD in inclement weather...
Except AWD
But consider this...I put studded snows on my old '89 Camaro, and it was every bit as good as my mom's FWD '98 GP GT she used to have, with normal tires. But I put regular snows on my '02 Grand Am, and what happened? I got through snowstorms this past winter where the only things on the road were me, SUVs and snowplows...in terms of all-out capability, its hard to beat FWD in inclement weather...
Except AWD