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Old Jun 9, 2009 | 10:45 AM
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It could make other Zeta cars, just not the G8. The G8/Commodore are Zeta 1. The Camaro and all other Zetas which would have gone to Oshawa (and elsewhere in NA), are/were Zeta 2.

Holden was to standardize to Zeta 2 at the next refresh. Like I said in a previous post, I'm not really sure if it's worth it for Holden to invest in standardization with NA right now for Zeta, since any future Zeta developments will be out of Australia. And Zeta is essentially done in North America after G8 and the 5th gen Camaro run their courses.
This makes complete sense. Well, about as much sense as GM can make.

Essentially there are enough differences between Zeta I (Holden & G8) and Zeta II (Camaro and other stillborn North American products) that would make Zeta I production impossible at Oshawa at this point. Even more ironic is the fact that Zeta I will apparently outlive Zeta II. I'd be interested to understand the differences, not that it matters at this point....
Old Jun 16, 2009 | 08:37 PM
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One Last Time: Henderson slams door on Pontiac G8 revival

Not sure how this means he slams the door? This doesn't make sense, the G8 is no longer made, so it wouldn't be a "rebadge".

General Motors CEO Fritz Henderson held a web chat with journalists earlier today over at the automaker's Fastlane Blog. (Full transcript available here.) Now, despite persistent rumors to the contrary, it's been reported a few times over that GM has no intention of resurrecting the Aussie-built Pontiac G8 under a different division, even though variants of the G8's Holden Commodore source material are sold in foreign markets under both the Chevrolet and Buick nameplates. This is a lamentable course of action, to say the least, because the G8 is a really good car. In particular, the G8 GT and GXP models are downright excellent. Towards the end of the web proceedings, AutoWeek's Greg Migliore went to the well one last time on behalf of enthusiasts everywhere, asking Henderson if the G8 has any future under one of the "new" GM's remaining brands.

14:45 [Comment From Greg Migliore--AutoWeek]
Does the Pontiac G8 have any kind of future within General Motors as a re-badged model? What kinds of changes would need to be made to the car for it to be sold under another brand?

14:45 Fritz Henderson: I am not a fan of rebadging.


That's a terse, and disappointing, answer – especially considering that of GM's four remaining divisions, GMC is made up almost exclusively of warmed-over Chevrolets. R.I.P. Pontiac G8. (Or new Chevy Impala. Or Buick Park Avenue...)
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/16/o...ac-g8-revival/
Old Jun 16, 2009 | 08:48 PM
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14:45 Fritz Henderson: I am not a fan of rebadging.
I agree, when it's rebadging a car already available in a given market, and just making a redundant rebadge in the same market (e.g. Cobalt/G5, Aveo/G3). But that's not exactly the situation the G8 is in ... the G8 is going away completely so there's no duplication or redundancy. If this is Fritz's way of thinking, getting hung up on mere semantics over logic, things don't bode so well.
Old Jun 17, 2009 | 03:58 PM
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14:45 Fritz Henderson: I am not a fan of rebadging.
Huh? I thought rebadging was part of GM's DNA?
Old Jun 17, 2009 | 09:16 PM
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Huh? I thought rebadging was part of GM's DNA?
While rebadging is part of what got GM to where it is now, it wouldn't technically be rebadging if the G8 is no longer on sale, would it?
Old Jun 18, 2009 | 11:17 AM
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While rebadging is part of what got GM to where it is now, it wouldn't technically be rebadging if the G8 is no longer on sale, would it?
Considering the G8 was a rebadged Holden Commadore/ Chevrolet Lumina? Not really. (My comment was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. )
Old Jun 18, 2009 | 11:36 AM
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Isn't the 2010 Commodore getting some updates? Wouldn't be a rebadge since it is the new model?

Someone should rephrase the question "Any chance GM will import the 2010 Chevy Lumina that is sold in the Middle East"
Old Jun 18, 2009 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
Isn't the 2010 Commodore getting some updates? Wouldn't be a rebadge since it is the new model?

Someone should rephrase the question "Any chance GM will import the 2010 Chevy Lumina that is sold in the Middle East"
Yes, I posted a thread on it about a week ago. Was suprised it didn't get more interest....
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=692965

I'll put it here too...might get some more info?

The Holden VE II – or VF – will be the VE Commodore's first facelift since its introduction in 2006.

The new car is hiding more under the skin than on top.

A new, high-tech direct-injection V6 could be destined for the big sedan late this year when the car gets a refresh. The VF Commodore is likely to get a range of improvements designed to lift fuel economy and further develop the company's ‘Ecoline’ strategy.

Visually the car may also borrow some design elements from Holden's Coupe 60 concept car, like the repeaters in the rear view mirrors, deeper grille and restyled lower bumper air intake to give a smoother look to the front end.

GM-Holden is not revealing details yet but the company has a choice of two DI engines of either 3.0-litre or 3.6-litre capacity that substantially reduce emissions and improve fuel economy.

The 3.0-litre delivers 190kW/298Nm, which is 15kW more than the current 3.6-litre Commodore engine but 27Nm less torque.

The bigger 3.6-litre DI engine delivers 225kW/369Nm and is available in GM's Cadillac models.

However in an effort to respond to changing consumer tastes, GM-Holden may also choose to downsize the Commodore V6 by introducing a smaller capacity 2.8-litre version of the Alloytec engine that could be badged ‘Ecoline’, part of Holden's solution to tackling fuel efficiency.

The entry engine could be available as a ‘fleet’ model on the base Omega to help bolster Commodore sales.

A 2.8-litre V6 with variable valve timing is available in some General Motors vehicles and generates 151kW at 6800 revs and 246Nm at 6300 revs.

More economical V6s are just some of the initiatives GM-Holden chief, Mark Reuss, is instituting to lure buyers back to the Commodore and ensure the car rebuilds its credentials from the current car slump.

These include E85 ethanol engines, dedicated LPG cars and frugal turbo-diesels.

The DI engines could be mated to six-speed automatic gearboxes to deliver sub-10.0 litre/100km fuel economy.

GM's direct injection technology not only improves fuel economy but quietness.

Rubber isolators are used with the fuel rail to eliminate metal-to-metal contact that would otherwise transmit noise and vibration from the high-pressure fuel system.

Along with direct injection, the 3.0-litre gets variable valve timing to improve power and economy.

GM-Holden is confident the new engine technologies for the V6 can deliver fuel economy comparable to some of the larger capacity Japanese four-cylinder engines.

The facelifted Commodore may also have gone on a diet to help improve economy.



GM-Holden's high-feature Alloytec V6 is truly a world-class engine...

Apart from powering a family of Commodores, versions of the company's Fishermens Bend engine finds their way into various Cadillac, Saab and Alfa Romeo models.

The Saab engine is a single turbo 2.8-litre variant developing 188kW/350Nm. A 294kW twin-turbo version was developed for the Saab Aero-X concept car.

Alfa Romeo's 190kW/322Nm 3.2-litre version of the Holden V6 is heavily modified and uses direct injection and lean-burn technology.
http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/ne...f_ve_facelift/
Old Jun 18, 2009 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
Isn't the 2010 Commodore getting some updates? Wouldn't be a rebadge since it is the new model?

Someone should rephrase the question "Any chance GM will import the 2010 Chevy Lumina that is sold in the Middle East"
2012, according to people at GMI.

Given that, I can see how it wouldn't make sense to introduce a "new" Chevy model when it would be replaced in only a year or two.
Old Jun 19, 2009 | 05:57 AM
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Just to add to 95redLT1's post.

Approx. Sept this year, new V6 engines and transmissions.
Approx. April next year, new interior, minor refreshed exterior with aluminium panels to bring down weight.
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