Now see, I feel that way about FWD. No way do I pay over $30K for a FWD, especially when it's a rehashed Accord.

The Acura TL is a failure, as I have declared it so.

Don't get me started on Audis.

 

Only the 3-Series sells more cars in its class. And where I live, it's only FWD or AWD given the ice we get. Pontiac only wishes that its G8 interior was half as good as the TLs. I spend my time on the inside of the car, not looking at it from a distance.

Acura TL Type-S
0-60: 5.5
1/4 mile: 14.1

G8 GT
0-60: 5.3
1/4 mile: 13.8

I'm not going to necessarily notice that .2-.3 difference in everyday driving, but I will notice the glaring difference between the interiors and MPG.

 

FWD would also keep me from that car.

 

Now I prefer RWD to FWD myself, but who knows ultimately . . . I may decide on a RWD car next given the prices of AWD systems. The AWD vs RWD issue wasn't enough to overcome the other differences between the vehicle.

Better interior: Acura
Better features: Acura
Better MPG: Acura
Better residual: Acura
Better dealer service: Acura

. . . and those are categories that the Acura walks the GT.

The $2k in difference, scant performance benefit and RWD weren't enough to overcome the Acura. That's not to say I'm totally happy with the Acura, but at the time, it was the right decision for me.

 

I'd kill to swap a G8 GXP for our Impala.

 

Are you complaining about the $900 sunroof option? Maybe in the US they're cheaper, but whenever I price out a car and add a sunroof, it always adds between $800 and $1100 to the price.

Keep in mind that it's not just the supercharger - it's also the suspension, brakes, wheels, tires. It definitely doesn't cost them THAT much more, but it's all about how many units they want to sell.

 

lol

 

Not to mention that many of the people who **** and complain would not even buy it if it was $25,000.

 

Good to see I am not alone.

 

And I don't think this attracts Pontiac fans. I spot G8s in neighbourhoods where people drive Jaguars, BMWs, Benzs, Audis, Cadillacs... There are other cars there too, that are not so glamorous, but the point is, this car pops in neighbourhoods that are rather well off. They wont' look twice at G3 or G5, but this car is catchy.

One could get an Audi A4 3.2 Quattro or this Pontiac G8 GXP for the same price.

Not to mention that regular V6 G8 is significantly cheaper than the A4 2.0T Quattro, and the GT G8 is on par with (sigh, again) turbo 4-cylinder quattro audi a4.

 

WTF, did you actually edit the case on my screen name in the quote before you posted?

In 2002, a Trans Am convertible sold for 32k.

Add the WS6 package ($3290) and you're at 35k. They sold, and that was nowhere near the car the G8 is.

Add in the $4100 Collectors Edition package (only 2000 made) and you're staring 40k right in the face. Those all sold too.

I haven't even taken into account the a-la-carte options like traction control.

40k simply isn't much of a jump at all for a performance Pontiac. If you take inflation into account (and why wouldn't you?), the G8 GXP is actually not the most expensive Pontiac ever sold.

I don't think the Phaeton was worth 70k.

I really don't think anyone out there is doubting that the G8 GXP is worth the price. 5-series size, 3-series price, and one hell of a performance package -- that's a steal at 40k.

I also think the Phaeton was marketed toward an entirely different set of buyers than the G8 GXP will be. Therefore, I don't think it's a valid comparison.

 

Actually, the only FWD car I see myself EVER owning is an economy car, a grocery getter, a commuter. Thus the Mazda3 we have. I don't ever see myself buying such a car brand new. With taxes and some options to pay $25 CDN for it is a complete waste of my money.

I could get a 2 year old Audi A6 for that money, and that's with Quattro. Yes I love Audis, yes they're problematic cars, etc, etc... But you get the picture.

If I was to buy a BRAND NEW car, it would have to be something I would keep for a long time. And that means either AWD or RWD.

I still don't see sense in buying brand new though.

 

Actually, you will notice A LOT of difference. You need to push the V6 harder to get similar acceleration of V8. The low-end torque of the V8 is a pleasure to drive in the city, where it accelerates quickly and quietly right off idle.

Torque steer in the Acura?

 

If performance and size were given a dollar value, what value would they be given?

Where would you rank the G8 in terms of interior design, features, quality, overall driving experience, dealer/service quality, etc? Point is there's more to cars than size and performance numbers and while I have not driven a G8 GXP I have driven a G8 GT and unless some sort of miracle was performed, the driving experience, chassis, interior, etc of a G8 GT is nothing remotely close to a 5 series, M5 or otherwise. Then again neither is the price. But this is why it's difficult to automatically call the G8 a bargain because you can put it along side a 5 series all day long and point out their sticker prices but the fact remains they're still very different cars.

Not so with the Genesis... go put it next to a Benz E class, Audi A6, Infiniti M or Lexus GS and you'll be hard pressed to find something in that car that doesn't remind you very much of one of those other cars that sell for far more.

That's the difference in selling a bargain priced car... it has to be pretty similar to the car you're comparing it to, and the G8 just isn't similar to the 5 series in any way aside from performance numbers and size.

 

286hp & 256tq. Yeah, the torque steer is something. But you don't have to push it to really move at all. Although I will admit, it is a sweet sounding engine in the higher RPMs.