G8 GXP. $39,995, including $1700 gas guzzler tax.
12-23-2008, 01:16 AM
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Just curious, does it have a limited slip differential? Or equal half-shafts? I think that Neon SRT-4 had equal half-shafts to reduce torque steer.
No doubt it accelerates VERY well, I actually liked the TL for quite a while, not crazy about the current one, but I'm sure it's a really nice car. I am just pointing out there is always a difference between a V8 and a V6, no matter how powerful the V6 is. The low-end torque of the V8 is only approached by a turbo 6.
No doubt it accelerates VERY well, I actually liked the TL for quite a while, not crazy about the current one, but I'm sure it's a really nice car. I am just pointing out there is always a difference between a V8 and a V6, no matter how powerful the V6 is. The low-end torque of the V8 is only approached by a turbo 6.
12-24-2008, 08:43 AM
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12-25-2008, 05:05 PM
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This also brings up potential useage beyond family cars and crossovers. Ford is almost certain to use a EB V6 in the new Mustang (twin turbos and all). A turbo 3.6 in the Camaro has the potential of displacing the LS3, while getting better fuel economy.
The LS engines no longer get the great fuel economy they used to... the larger displacements and high horsepower took away that great fuel economy.
12-25-2008, 09:50 PM
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The '08 Corvette's fuel economy numbers of 16/26 are very nearly the same as those in the '04 Corvette (17/26, adjusted for current test procedures). The simple fact that the TR6060 transmission in the '08 has different gear ratios than the T56 in the '04 could be blamed for that 1mpg difference in the city.
12-25-2008, 10:52 PM
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I know you that you have a lot of information about the auto industry but you are such a clear LS engine hater is getting absurd Guy. You talk about the Hemi being amazing when it really does get horrid gas mileage and then you poo poo on the LS series? Unreal man......
12-26-2008, 12:19 PM
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Well, let's be fair. In similar applications, the new Hemi (Hemi2, as Guy calls it) gets more or less the same fuel economy as the latest LS engines.
12-26-2008, 03:43 PM
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Congrats, GM made their cars several hundred pounds heavier and still have comparable gas mileage to the hemi equipped dodge cars. It's not much of a triumph for dodge as it is sad for GM.
12-27-2008, 11:33 PM
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It's just funny to me that Guy throws in a shot at the LS series of engines whenever possible yet can't hesitate to gush about the new hemi.
Congrats, GM made their cars several hundred pounds heavier and still have comparable gas mileage to the hemi equipped dodge cars. It's not much of a triumph for dodge as it is sad for GM.
Congrats, GM made their cars several hundred pounds heavier and still have comparable gas mileage to the hemi equipped dodge cars. It's not much of a triumph for dodge as it is sad for GM.
The best direct comparison I'm aware of is the G8 vs Charger R/T. The Charger weighs about 100 pounds more than the G8, probably due to the iron block of the hemi. The Charger gets 1mpg more on the EPA city and highway than the G8. But the G8 does not have VVT, while the Charger does. That helps the Charger get a little more power too.
I actually think that 16/25 on a 4100 pound car with 368hp is quite a triumph for Chrysler.
15/24 for a 4000 pound car with 361hp is also quite respectable, and better than many other V8 sedans.
Last edited by teal98; 12-27-2008 at 11:46 PM. Reason: 390hp in truck version; 368 in Charger R/T
12-28-2008, 03:50 AM
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The G8 GXP is the car I hoped GM would produce!
As for the $40k price tag, folks seem to forget the Bonneville GXP listed at the same price, and was no where near the same car in 2004!
I opted for my Chrysler 300 SRT8 based on the performance and comfort level, but I pulled the trigger when I did because I got an incredible deal on it. If it wern't for the deal, I might have waited for the GXP. The only problem with that in early 2007 was the G8 was in development and the GXP was only a thought vice a plan.
The GXP is an incredible VALUE in performance. Look around; you have to spend a ton more to come close to the performance anywhere (except perhaps the SRT line-up).
Allen
As for the $40k price tag, folks seem to forget the Bonneville GXP listed at the same price, and was no where near the same car in 2004!
I opted for my Chrysler 300 SRT8 based on the performance and comfort level, but I pulled the trigger when I did because I got an incredible deal on it. If it wern't for the deal, I might have waited for the GXP. The only problem with that in early 2007 was the G8 was in development and the GXP was only a thought vice a plan.
The GXP is an incredible VALUE in performance. Look around; you have to spend a ton more to come close to the performance anywhere (except perhaps the SRT line-up).
Allen
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