Ehh... if you actually read the threat to beginning to end you might be able to look at this more logically. He said that he said that MOST of the 100% stock LS1s he sees run, end up running a high 12s or a low 13. He said nothing about the car's capabilities... he said that's what he actually usually sees them running, which is pure crap.

14 second LS1 f-bodies DO exist... in fact they're down right common - they're just capable of much better in better conditions and with a better driver. When people ask me what my GS400 runs I tell them "under the most ideal circumstances they're capable of a 14 flat @ around 100, but more commonly they'll run mid to high 14s @ mid-high 90s.

That's a hell of a lot more realistic than just saying "oh... they do 14 flat @ 100". Then everybody gets confused and felt like they were lied to when their car does almost a full second worse the first time they go to the track on a hot summer day, gets embarrassed, and usually won't admit their dissappointment to the rest of the f-body community.

And yes, I'm sure I'm annoying you and plenty others. That's what happens when you hear what you don't want to hear. But what I'm speaking is the truth. IMO a car's capabilities under the best conditions with the best driving skill (99% of the time that means being driven by somebody who doesn't even own the car or know the guy who's going to drive it for him ), are NOT "the norm" for a car or what you should "expect to usually see" at the 1/4-mile track.

 

I'll agree that saying most LS1's are 12 second or low 13 second cars is a pretty bad blanket statement, because a lot of them run 13.5's around here.

A car's potential however is based on the best times available by a stock subject because environmental issues are variables, so you go off the best times as they are the true representation of the car's ability. Everybody knows that, so why is that being argued? This whole thread has become everyones personal pissing match.

 

With each post the margin widens, now LS1 are in the 15s. If a stock car hits low 13s on a regular basis, then its a clearly a 13 sec car not 14 or 15. If that same car or a like car ran a 15 sec run then clearly there was an error, missed gear, too much wheelspin, whatever it doesn't matter the car is capable of much more. Watching all kinds of people with LS1s run 14 & 15s doesn't mean a thing.
From my own personal experiences, I've seen stock LT1s in the 13.6-7 ranges and stock LS1s in the very low 13.0xs and GMHTP got a stock C5 Z06 in the 11s. So I think anyone with the right experience can take x car and go x time/speed with the right conditions
The new Z06 times were base line runs, the mags times should improve the next time around, when they have more time with the car and when they can take the car to there own testing facilities. Its hard to say what kind of times the car will put down GMHTP gets there hands on one.

 

Just a case in point. The first time I went to the track with my LT1, I NEVER was so bad as to get a 15 second time slip, and that was with a bone stock, fully loaded, '97 Z28 on a 90 degree day. LS1's hitting 15's must have a driver that is a complete moron behind the wheel, or he missed a shift, or some other driver error. LS1's are solid mid to low 13 second cars on average, just like the LT1 is a solid low 14 second car on average. This topic has been argued to death.

Dan

 

Whatever it takes to make you sleep at night. But the facts are there and you simply can NOT dispute their styling on the GT.
Wake me up when GM decides to do that. Until then...sorry to say the GT is always going to be a car people will kill themselves to get a brief glimpse at. And frankly...even if GM did that with the Camaro...it would be no more freak worthy as I like to call it than the GT500.

 

The Ford GT is not that spectacular (styling wise) in my book same goes for the Mustang, but hey I know I am in the minority, I think. Ford had a GT on display at the Kentucky Speedway during th Busch race earlier this summer. Over 80K people were there and not once did I see a huge crowd around the GT, usually groups of 4 or 5. I seen lots people shake there heads, shoo it and walk away after they saw the window sticker. I guess Ford and Exotic and Nascar rednecks don't mix. Actually I believe more people were drawn to the Super Duty Power Stroke trucks, but thats Kentucky for ya. I work details at the track and the GT was in my sight for over 12 hours that day.

 

Check this out... these viper guys actually think the SRT10 is faster than the Z06


http://vca2.viperclub.org/forums/sho...b=5&o=&fpart=1

 

14 second LS1 f-bodies are NOT common. Neither are 12 second LS1's. But to say that he's ridiculous for saying a 12 second one is common and then saying a 14 second one is common is just as ridiculous. And I'd really like to see some proof of that mythical 15 second ones (btw one 15 second pass because something went wrong doesn't count)...

Geez, 3.8L V-6 f-bodies are common to run mid - low 15's and you want us to believe you've seen some LS1's do that on a clean run (no breakdown, no sitting there and smoking the tires on the starting line)?

Most people can take a LS1 to the track for the first time and squeeze off a mid to low 13. EASILY. My first time at the track with NO experience with that car and only one previous track event months before with my v6 and I was able to squeeze off consistant 13's (13.45 being best). That was FULL WEIGHT BONE STOCK and I was a crappy driver (at the time).

Chris

 

My dad has taken his LS1 to the track numerous times and his best is only a 13.5. To say that people easily hit low 13s is a stupid statement.

 

What is just as impressive is that this car can do low 11's and still get 26 MPG on the hwy.

 

My first time EVER to the track with a manual transmission netted me 13.3 @107mph in my stock WS.6....it was pretty easy too

 

If you're referring to my post above I did say MID to low 13's....

And I did say MOST, not ALL....

Chris

 

don't let the door hit you in the *** on the way out...

 

That won't happen because from the looks of it he has too much of a point to prove here by splitting hairs. I have lived long enough to know that it is not hard to spot someone who wants to be right all the time.

 

I thought this thread was about the AMAZING numbers from the new Z06 and how nothing, short of a F1 or Enzo, can catch it?

I'm sitting back and waiting to see the response from Dodge. It has been said from a couple people at SRT that they will not let the Vette beat them.