What does this have to do in the world of sport cars? I was speaking in respect to the 05' Stang, and 05' GT40.

No they dont do it justice, whenever i see a 05' Vette on the road it usually takes my breath away. It is beautiful, and the Z06 is an eye catcher irl. I seen one at the gas station across from the tech center couple weeks ago. It grabs your attention, there is no doubt about that.

The opel GT kinda resembles the older vette's but i dont really see the similaritys.

I guess everyone can decide for themselves

Opel GT
2005 Corvette

 

you answered your own question, Frequent = "Most of the time" with a good driver 12 second ET's are common.

That was my point the intire time

 

of the two reveiws | preveiws of the 06' Z06 ive read, Both have mentioned one time atleast something "Terrifying, horrific or scarey" that occured during the test of the 06' Z06 in reference to speed or squirrelyness.

Could you imagine the reveiws with the LS9 plopped in the same box? another 150HP Im not sure if the world is ready for that yet

Im pretty sure, that would equal sub 11 second ET's stock, I can only imagine

 

In 5 years people will still be breaking their necks to look at a Ford GT.
This will not be the case for the new Z06. Ford has nothing wrong with their styling.

 

and if GM tossed a damn near identical replica of 1969 Camaro RS/SS with a LS9 on the streets. I'm sure it would snap necks too, but that would be a weee bit unoriginal now wouldnt it.

My hats off to those who dont aspire to be original, stick with what worked is what i always said.

 

If any good driver can get 12.9x, why did Evan Smith, a driver as close to god-like as you can get, only run a 12.8x?

Good drivers and god-like drivers are not within one-tenth of a second of each other in equal vehicles.

 

Im done with you Dwray!!

lol, i have no clue. Maybe thats all the car is capable of? The 12.7's coulda been lies

Now leave me aloneZZZ

 

Also tempreature, humidity, altitude, mileage (if tested new), perhaps moreso. Chrysler's hemi LXs and GTOs are perfect examples of wildly varying times based on climate & or break in.

Also, "good" or "great" drivers don't close gaps between cars. a half second gap between 2 cars is going to remain a half second gap under identical circumstances and drivers.

Finally, Camaros are easier to launch than Mustangs. That means that Camaros aren't going to vary much no matter who's driving. Mustangs will, and are more dependent on a "good" driver to launch well.


BTW: Stock LS1s are about 13 second flat cars.
I know it's probally pointless saying that because someone here is going to come up with some disclaimer.

 

My point is that what a car CAN run with the best of circumstances, driver, etc is NOT anything close to what they typically run. High 12s are possible with the best of circumstances, but it is FAR more common to see LS1s running all over the 14s than it is high 12s unless you're talking about modded LS1s or a 'pro' track day or something along those lines.

Futurewhateveryournamewas, if you see LS1s running almost exclusively high 12 and very low 13 second times then you're not seeing truely stock LS1s.

And it was beyond obvious that your "jk" was not in reference to VVT not having anything to do with cylinder deactivation. But whatever... it's becoming apparent you're one of those types who will refuse to listen to reason and never claim fault.

 

What can Evan Smith, Jon Smith, or Jon Jacob Jingle..... nevermind...

What can JS really do to make THAT much difference in a STOCK car on STOCK tires??

I've always been the one to get the quicker times out of something around town but its not a God given talent or anything to set me far apart from anyone else. Its just a natural feel for whats going on with the rest of the car.

(stock cars are still slow, btw)

 

Holy crap.

I need to sell my house and buy myself a Z06.

They sleep 4 don't they?

I could sleep in a Corvette, but I couldn't race my house....

 

Mustang GT__17/25_______(300hp)
GTO_________17/25______(400hp)
Base Vette___18/28(est)__(400hp)

Ferrari 430___11/16______(483hp) <--not that impressed!
Gallardo______9/15_______(500hp) <--sad!
Viper________12/20______(500hp)
Z06 Vette___16/26(est)__(505hp)

Ford GT_____13/21______(550hp) <--should this say 580hp?
Carrera GT___10/16______(605hp) <--worse than the Ford!
MB/M SLR____13/18______(617hp) <--Almost as good as the Ford!


GM and Ford are making some nice mpg figures, end of story.

If the S2000 is now estimated at 20/25, that means that a honda 240hp 4 cylinder weight 2835 pounds averages WORSE fuel economy than a 400hp Chevy Corvette V8 weighing over 3100lb.

Go Ford and GM!

 

Even tho' you went to discredit me , in the end you pushed my point forward.

2x in a row tonight, i hope this isnt the start of a fad

 

And my point is it Doesnt take ideal circumstances to get a Late LS1 to dip into the 12's. You keep insisting that its more common to see LS1's in the 14 sec range, i ask you do these people even own the cars they brought to the track? a Modest Late LS1 with a "OK" driver can pull 13 second slips all night. I'm talking about completely stock here.

I wish some people would chime in here, because i know there is a crap load of people who would agree.

Ive had my Vette for no more then a week at this point, initial run was 13.6 and i damn near missed second. I am an "OK" driver to say the least. The LS1 is a mighty strong motor, to be pulling 14's. Can i ask you... Have you ever driven a LS1? or Owned one? If not i think you need to take one out for a whirl. People dipping into the 14's with a stock LS1 shouldnt be driving one (if consistantly).

wow i didnt see that coming, another insult! to you.

I think Genuiom :sorry i hacked your name: said it best. Late LS1's are 13 flat cars. I know for a Fact the times im seeing are stock, save a lid or lowered Tire pressure (lol?). Ive seen the same people run consecutive times, some being close friends of mine.

I got it, maybe the local track is rigging the runs... (sorry it seems to be the next aqusation). What i normally see from a Late model LS1 is 13.5 - 12.899. Again there is over a dozen people who would attest to this, just maybe not where you run cars.

Im quick to claim fault, but not when im screwing around and being taken literally. You've taken a handful of shots at me since your first post to me, then expect me to say my claims are false. Well thats not how i am. I only state what "I've seen with my own two eyes" 99.99% of the time. You should do so as well, because your LS1 info is poor to put it kindly.

 

WOW

and people thought $65,800 was too much for a Vette, still chaeper than a ZR1 and it's the fastest car under $300,000 on the street.