I'd say the new GT has kick *** styling. I love the old one, I love the new one. No debate. In the looks department it LOOKS like a supercar. The Z06 however is quite bland and boring. It may be modern, but it doesnt have the "supercar" look to it. But in all honesty, it isnt a supercar (but again, putting out near supercar numbers) and that makes it okay.

I'm more waiting to see if something neat pops out from cadillac or we here more about the rumored LS9 engine getting stuffed into a production vehicle.

 

Damnit, you beat me to it

 

try more along the lines of the gigantic *** 5.4 in back. despite being all aluminum, with the dry sump and everything else they have done, that motor is just plain heavy.

 

Then again GM aint to far behind in the butt ugly looks with that bloated rebadged PT Crusier.

As for the vette, admittedly magazines dont do it justice and the car looks far better in RL, although for some reason it reminds me of an opel GT??

 

That's it, the C6 Z06 will be my track car. Just give me a few years to get the money together... God damn, what a bargin!

-B

 

Heh, anybody who sells a car with equal or lesser performance for more than the cost of the Z06 should fell ashamed for ripping off the customer like that!

for building a damn fine performance machine.

 

GM swung on the high fastball, with bases loaded, and hit that puppy into the sun...

Anyone have the official EPA gas milage? I belive it doesnt get the gas tax, so to even have a car to put out so much power, to be so efficent....GM should play off that like no ones business.

 

Didn't one of the Mustang mags get a SS to run 12.8/7s?

 

I think it was 13.0's all day long in the heat. And I think it was a sidebar called "know your enemy" in MM&FF.

 

It was 12.89ish with Evan Smith driving.

 

You don't need insane strip experience to learn about what times what cars can or usually run. But as for my personal experience, I don't have much, but I have witnessed many more stock LS1s go 14s than 12s.

And I fully agree, with a great driver, most '02 LS1s are capable of a 12 second timeslip.

Dictionary.com defines "common" as "Occurring frequently or habitually; usual." Despite knowing what the BEST drivers can get out of them, I would still say that the most frequently posted time for an '02 LS1 is not in the 12s.

I was not arguing for the fact that an LS1 could not hit 12s, I know it can. I was merely saying that is not the commonplace for a late-model LS1.

 

The average LS1 with the average driver who's at the strip at the first time in his life with average weather conditions would be extremely lucky to break into the 13s at ALL as his BEST run of the night... his worst run could easily be in the 15s without anything truely major going wrong.

A sub-13 time for a 100% bone stock (yes that includes free mods, DRs, etc, too despite what some "bone stock" guys like to pretend) LS1 f-body is about as rare as it gets. It takes a combination of a GREAT driver, GREAT conditions, a ringer car (one that makes a little more power than normal just by luck), and it'll be the best run of the night for sure. It is in no way shape or form 'the norm'.

I've seen FAR more stock LS1 f-bodies run in the low 14s than I have in the high 13s. Are those care capable of better? I'm sure they are, but quoting the car's potential with the best of every circumstance coming together all at once is far from quoting 'the norm'. The norm is what I'm used to seeing, not what makes everyone's jaw drop and say "wow I can't believe what I just saw, I'm going to have to tell all my friends about this!". And that's what a 100% stock f-body running a 12.xx time would be for sure. Especially a 12.7x.

My GS400 ran a best of 14.7 @ 97 in bad weather conditions (hot & humid) and a worst run of 15.1 @ 95. Now I've seen times for my car in completely stock condition running as good as 13.9 @ 101. But did I honestly expect my car to run that? Hell no. Could I honestly tell people that was 'common' for them to run in the high 13s and low 100s? No way!

Please don't lie to yourself in front of others. That's how misinformation is spread. A high 12 in an LS1 is a religious occasion... NOT 'normal'. Hell.. most of the stock C5 Z06s I've seen run didn't quite get into the 12s. I know, the driver sucked for sure... but there are FAR more drivers like I'm talking about than drivers, tracks, and nights (weather conditions) that will combine to make a 12 second stock LS1.

Lastly, don't tell people who've been around this board longer than you've likely been surfing the internet altogether to go look around the board to educate themselves. It just makes no sense.

For somebody who just said in another thread
I kinda wonder about your car knowledge as well. You're getting VVT mixed up with DoD - two very common technologies with two very different purposes.

 

This z06 has gotten us all bench racing!!!!

 

If they have absolutly NO knowlege of how running a car works...

Its safe to say, the average Sports car enthusiast can take a LS1 car to the track and dip into the 13's on there 2nd or 3rd try.

I seen 2 different Magazine drivers (yes those who sometimes are .5-1 full second above what the average drag racer can do) quote the times in the 12's...

This isnt even speaking of personal experiance. I was more speaking of the 02' SS initially dont generalize what i said. In decent conditions, with a GOOD driver, Not God-Like or Excellent just GOOD, you will crack 12.99 with a stock 35th anniversery SS.

I would say any LS1 f-body is capable of better then Low 14's... I think anyone would agree.

The norm is exactly what your used to seeing, and apparently you have some **** poor drivers running those LS1's in front of you, The tracks i visit Milan for the most part (in michigan) seeing LS1's in the Low 13's high 12's is an everyday occurance, therefor it is "The norm" for me.

the 12.7 was mentioned by a friend, as well as mentioned on here by another member.

Definition of common : "Occurring frequently or habitually; usual." if you Frequently seen this | witnessed this, then yes you should expect this. Again it is heavily based on driver. Ive seen Vipers run 15's at the track, sometimes consistantly, Will i argue they arnt capabe of sub 13 times? or even for that matter its not Common?

No i wouldnt, because i know thats not the case. Just because you've seen a few high 13 second LS1's, dont think its not purely driver. Because it is.

Occurring frequently or habitually; usual.


Lie to myself? You have to be kidding right? Where the hell am i even lying in general? Your trying to feed me that the same LS1's comming from the factory will run Mid 14's and some will randomly run 12's as a grown man if that doesnt sound nieve i have to question you.

Whatever track you are hanging out at is ****-poor to say the least, Stock C5 Z06's hanging in the low 13's. Either everyone at my local tracks are supermen or your exagerating on alot of your points.

First time i ever seen a LS1 crack 13's was the Fall of 01' it was 91 degree's and humid as all hell. It doesnt take a 50 degree Night with perfect humidity to run 12's with a stock 02' SS. I'm sorry again completly wrong.

..... Personal attack number 3? WTF is your issue? Ive never spoken a word to you. Posting on here longer then ive been surfing the internet? So i guess post counts really make for experiance. Let me call up Carroll Shelby and inform him. Or maybe Calaway. Very intelegent insult there.

For somebody who just said in another thread

Make sure to post what i said intirely.

"I hope they come out with a !VVT! elimintor i like having all 8 always one demand

jk, this is very good news. More power while still meating emissions GM."

the intire post was a spoof, yes I as a chevy fan do not know what Variable Valve timeing and Displacement on Demand stand for or mean.

Glad you caught me on that one

 

I think you where missing the point, even with a solid aluminum frame and god knows what other weight reductions she's still heavy, the Vette comes down the line for mass production and the LSx motors arnt a boat-load heavier then 5.4.

The GT40 comes down the line to be a light weight Supercar, built for stictly racer-man useage and is still heavier then the mass produced normal build chassised Vette'. The 5.4 isnt going to make a crap load of difference here, the GT40 is just plane heavy for what its supposed to be.