I'll back you up. LS1's run mid to low 13s ALL DAY LONG...auto's included....most cars run 12s with just a lid and cutout...some do it from the factory. I've seen 2 in person do it.

 

Those are incredible numbers. I think the ZO6 just might be faster than the GT. You can pull all sorts of numbers from different tests but until there is a head to head battle with the same conditions, and hopefullly similar break-in, the answer is not clear. I would like to see if the ZO6 tops the GT in other performance catagories as well.

 

The car I drove to work today.....98 M6 Z28. Lid, Cutout 12.85 @ 110. Maybe this car is a freak.......................................But then I think so are the other 90% of Ls1 cars running 13.XX @ 108,109,110. Good friend of mine.......02 WS6 A4 with 2.73 gears. Lid, cutout, converter.......12.00, 12.05, 12.03, 12.4 Consistent.




About the ZO6, think about it like this, it is faster than any Ferrari ever made in acceleration(0-60, 1/4) except the Enzo, which new was $660k, and now used can go for as much as $1.4m. And the according to MT the ZO6 beats the Enzo to 60, and is on its tails in the 1/4. Were not talking about looks or collector status, were talking about performance.

 

No offense, but I could run low 14s with my 1992 Z28 with a 245hp L98 at IRP. To suggest that a 345hp vehicle with a better suspension can only run the same times is ludicrous. And I've only been to the strip less then 5 times in my life! Are you sure it wasn't an all women track day?

 

Please understand the difference between a car's capabilities and what a car will run on average - that means an average driver with average weather, average track conditions, average stock car, etc. I know damn well the numerous LS1s I've seen run 14 second time after 14 second time would be capable of running in the low 13s or likely even in the high 12s with an awesome driver, awesome conditions, perfect run, etc.

But again... quoting the absolute best case scenario as 'the norm', as FutureZGuy or whatever his name is, just shows a lack of a sense of reality or an overwhelming sense of fanboyism.

 

True, but at the same time, you cant take some kid in a ls1 car that can drive anybetter than a 90 year old and say his track time is the norm for those cars. I have seen a few run 14's, I've seen a few in the 12's. So I would say the norm for 99% of LS1 cars to be mid to low 13's. But even still any decent m6 driver can get an LS1 car to trap over 106, so if the car were to hook on the line then it can still be a 12 sec car. I know I ran a 14.1 @ 105 in my car, and ive run 13.4 @ 106. You are correct, but in the same time wrong in a little way. I am not aware of the conditions when they tested the ZO6, so who knows if they were great, or crapy. Who knows if there test drivers suck, I'm sure there good, but are they? I dont know.

 

I think you are quoting the worst case and not the average.

 

A friend of mine ran 12.9x with his 2002 SS with a Lid and Catback. He is a good driver and cut like a 1.9 60ft. Most of the time he was low 13s. I go to the track a lot, and I would say the norm for LS1s is anywhere from 13.1-13.7. Yes there are cars that go faster, or slower. But I would have to say the norm is within that range.

That Z06 is going to be disgusting. I can't wait to see one on the road, or at the track.

 

 

Perhaps the track you visit is a "ringer", perhaps it's not accurate, or maybe it has perfect conditions. What is common/normal/expected to you is no indication of the rest of the conditions.

Threxx made a valid point - if you were hanging out on this site for more than just a month, a few years, you would find out that the norm for LS1 in an f-body is about 13.2 to 13.6. That is the norm. Exceptions are high 13's to low 14's, and high 12's. This is from experience of reading many, many drag posts on this site as well as others, and from my own track experience.

 

Yep, I'll agree with that statement with one exception. The average best time here is from 13.2 to 13.6. In other words I'm sure those people have had plenty of times that are quite a bit worse than what they're telling everyone about on the board. And I'm sure there's also quite a few noob LS1 drivers at the track who've never been to the track in their life and hit a crappy time and didn't even want to post it out of shear embarassment since they couldn't do as good as everyone else they've read about.
The few people who run in the high 12s and are truely stock usually they can't duplicate it most of the time.

I guess what I'm saying is overall if you seriously think you can go to a random 'test and tune - open to the public' night with average weather conditions and see "most 100% stock LS1s" run high 12s and low 13s, then you brought some drugs to the track that and smoked them. Either that or there's the "Annual meeting of profesional drag racers who like to race their LS1 fbodies on the side" meeting that night.

To date over half of the stock LS1 fbodies I've seen run have run anywhere from very high 13s to very low 15s. Of the remaining 50% I'd say I see 90% of those guys running mid 13s, and the remaining 10% running low 13s. I've never in my life seen a truely stock f-body run anything below a 13.2 I know it's happened... I'm not saying it hasn't. I'm just saying that with me personally, I've literally seen more LS1s in the low 15s than I have in the high 12s, so that makes two and zero, respectively, and more f-bodies running low 14s than I have low 13s.

 

Welcome to CZ28.com... I see you've already learned the art of circle jerking. Wow... you newbs catch on quick!

 

Your gettin on my nerves with this riff raff...

WTF?! A cars capabilities are ALL that matter. Best time on the best track in best conditions is what that car WILL run. If the conditions are worse, its worse for every car, and a 12.50 car is still a faster car than a 14 second car with 110 degree heat at 4000ft. As long as we as car enthusiasts guage a car's cool factor on accelleration numbers, you have to guage it on how fast the car CAN go. If it does 12.96 once...that car is a 12.90's car. MT HAS run a 11.50 with the new Z06, so IT IS A 11.50 CAR!!!!!!!!!! Reguardless of the other drivers that will inevitably run 14's in it.

What is this facination with "average" and "the norm." They are irrelevant, and unquantifiable. Maybe we should take every pass from every LS1 f-body and average the whole mother. Is the fastest horse at the Kentucky derby gonna win with me ridin him? No, but that doesnt mean the horse is any slower.

Easy breakdown
Variables - Weather, Altitude, track conditions, driver, ect.

Static (non-variable) - The car

There are "ringers" with 5-10 more hp than others, and lemons...but assuming a standard deviation in power output of 2-3%, your variables ^^ are much bigger factors.

PLEASE NO MORE TALK ABOUT 14 SECOND LS1 F-BODIES BECAUSE THEY DONT EXIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

The blown 5.4 is ATLEAST 200-300lbs heavier than the LsX motors.

On top of that, the GT is 8.2" longer and 4.3" wider than the corvette. Short of hight (GT is 4.7" shorter), the GT is a bigger car than the corvette in most exterior dimensions. That and GM just did an excellent job with weight management on the z06. In the end, the weight difference isn't as surprising imo.

My take on this whole thing: wait for a head to head test for a more accurate performance comparison. Either way, both are winners in my book. The GT is one of the most desireable cars on the planet and the performance is still topnotch for its price (212mph topspeed, 3.3-3.6 sec 0-60, mid 11sec 1/4'ers, etc....) and the vette has no equals in the value department. Both companies set out with different objectives in mind, and both delivered imo. In the end, the z06 and GT are both fine additions in the growing american sportscar/supercar class.

Next up, i'd like to see Dodge redo the Viper, and i'd like to see Cadillac roll out an exotic supercar that can rival the Saleen S7, Porsche CGT, and Enzo.