First OFFICIAL pictures of 2004 GTO
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by HuJass:
GOATCRAZY,
RE: your disagreements about my comments about Pontiac engines: This looks like a good place & time.
...I know what they're capable of and what their downfalls are. I still think it's a great engine with one caveat: for a by-gone era. They do not stack up to a modern engine in any way, shape, or form. Sure you can get the same power (and more) from them then, say, the LS1. </font>
GOATCRAZY,
RE: your disagreements about my comments about Pontiac engines: This looks like a good place & time.
...I know what they're capable of and what their downfalls are. I still think it's a great engine with one caveat: for a by-gone era. They do not stack up to a modern engine in any way, shape, or form. Sure you can get the same power (and more) from them then, say, the LS1. </font>
I'll state again, I'm not one of those guys with their heads in the sand like ostriches ignoring the world around them...
I just refuse to settle for anything but the best when it comes to Pontiac!
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'96 Bonneville 231 S.D.
'96 Sunfire 2.4L H.O.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 305fan:
BMW's look good- no one would call them beautiful or sexy though-
but they are a true high performnace car with
a rep Pontiac would kill for</font>
BMW's look good- no one would call them beautiful or sexy though-
but they are a true high performnace car with
a rep Pontiac would kill for</font>
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A word from downunder. I have been a fan of American Muscle for years, as long as I have know about the existance of F-bodies I have wanted one and have now for some years. I felt for everyone in America, myself and every other F-body owner in the world when GM decided to kill them. I felt sorry for everyone over there when it looked like you had no replacement, unlike us here with a very healthy V8 market.
I have read most of these post and have come to a couple of conclusions. A. Most if any have not been lucky to see this car parked infront of them, or B, are just to picky for your own good.
What GM have offered you is a real size RWD V8 with a heap of power a back seat and trunk. Making it as practical as it is powerful. Not to mention all the spares and support you need for a car.
The idea that it looks like a Grand prix, well wait until you see them parked side by side before you make that opinion. You are taking about a car that is bigger then the original GTO.
The car is not that overpriced, not much more than a brand new Trans AM. Try buying one here for less than $70,000 Aus. At least they are in the market there for a reasonable price.
If you want it to look tuff then do it, companies like SLP are already doing the work for you.
The idea that calling it a GTO is some sought of crime and they have not followed the ideals of the "GTO" legend is rediculous. Where have they gone wrong. Pontiac trade mark front end with the split grill, RWD, V8, excellant handling package, from GM anyway, 4 spot front brakes with 12" rotors, duel spot backend, so you have some way to stop the freight train.
Given that GM where going to leave you with nothing I think you have done pretty well, don't you.
I don't mean to sound offencive by this, but there seems to be a lot of misconception about the sought of car you are getting.
I have read most of these post and have come to a couple of conclusions. A. Most if any have not been lucky to see this car parked infront of them, or B, are just to picky for your own good.
What GM have offered you is a real size RWD V8 with a heap of power a back seat and trunk. Making it as practical as it is powerful. Not to mention all the spares and support you need for a car.
The idea that it looks like a Grand prix, well wait until you see them parked side by side before you make that opinion. You are taking about a car that is bigger then the original GTO.
The car is not that overpriced, not much more than a brand new Trans AM. Try buying one here for less than $70,000 Aus. At least they are in the market there for a reasonable price.
If you want it to look tuff then do it, companies like SLP are already doing the work for you.
The idea that calling it a GTO is some sought of crime and they have not followed the ideals of the "GTO" legend is rediculous. Where have they gone wrong. Pontiac trade mark front end with the split grill, RWD, V8, excellant handling package, from GM anyway, 4 spot front brakes with 12" rotors, duel spot backend, so you have some way to stop the freight train.
Given that GM where going to leave you with nothing I think you have done pretty well, don't you.
I don't mean to sound offencive by this, but there seems to be a lot of misconception about the sought of car you are getting.
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Chevrolet engines and stuff are IT, thats all I'm saying. 
For now anyway. 
Is the GTO a GTO mechanically?? Yes. Is the GTO a GTO in looks?? No. We want both. Its not too much to ask, I mean they didn't have to make it look like the others. Where is the creativity in the design?? And we know they need that.
Maybe you guys need to take another look at it or keep looking until you see.
[This message has been edited by IZ28 (edited June 25, 2002).]
For now anyway. Is the GTO a GTO mechanically?? Yes. Is the GTO a GTO in looks?? No. We want both. Its not too much to ask, I mean they didn't have to make it look like the others. Where is the creativity in the design?? And we know they need that.
Maybe you guys need to take another look at it or keep looking until you see. [This message has been edited by IZ28 (edited June 25, 2002).]
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by morb|d:
say what? i will appreciate you not speaking for me in the future. i absolutely love the current 3 series BMW styling and find it extremely sexy. more sexy than any modern ferrari for sure and one of the top 10 most sexiest cars made today. PERIOD.</font>
say what? i will appreciate you not speaking for me in the future. i absolutely love the current 3 series BMW styling and find it extremely sexy. more sexy than any modern ferrari for sure and one of the top 10 most sexiest cars made today. PERIOD.</font>
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by AussieGTA:
A word from downunder. I have been a fan of American Muscle for years, as long as I have know about the existance of F-bodies I have wanted one and have now for some years. I felt for everyone in America, myself and every other F-body owner in the world when GM decided to kill them. I felt sorry for everyone over there when it looked like you had no replacement, unlike us here with a very healthy V8 market.
I have read most of these post and have come to a couple of conclusions. A. Most if any have not been lucky to see this car parked infront of them, or B, are just to picky for your own good.
What GM have offered you is a real size RWD V8 with a heap of power a back seat and trunk. Making it as practical as it is powerful. Not to mention all the spares and support you need for a car.
The idea that it looks like a Grand prix, well wait until you see them parked side by side before you make that opinion. You are taking about a car that is bigger then the original GTO.
The car is not that overpriced, not much more than a brand new Trans AM. Try buying one here for less than $70,000 Aus. At least they are in the market there for a reasonable price.
If you want it to look tuff then do it, companies like SLP are already doing the work for you.
The idea that calling it a GTO is some sought of crime and they have not followed the ideals of the "GTO" legend is rediculous. Where have they gone wrong. Pontiac trade mark front end with the split grill, RWD, V8, excellant handling package, from GM anyway, 4 spot front brakes with 12" rotors, duel spot backend, so you have some way to stop the freight train.
Given that GM where going to leave you with nothing I think you have done pretty well, don't you.
I don't mean to sound offencive by this, but there seems to be a lot of misconception about the sought of car you are getting.</font>
A word from downunder. I have been a fan of American Muscle for years, as long as I have know about the existance of F-bodies I have wanted one and have now for some years. I felt for everyone in America, myself and every other F-body owner in the world when GM decided to kill them. I felt sorry for everyone over there when it looked like you had no replacement, unlike us here with a very healthy V8 market.
I have read most of these post and have come to a couple of conclusions. A. Most if any have not been lucky to see this car parked infront of them, or B, are just to picky for your own good.
What GM have offered you is a real size RWD V8 with a heap of power a back seat and trunk. Making it as practical as it is powerful. Not to mention all the spares and support you need for a car.
The idea that it looks like a Grand prix, well wait until you see them parked side by side before you make that opinion. You are taking about a car that is bigger then the original GTO.
The car is not that overpriced, not much more than a brand new Trans AM. Try buying one here for less than $70,000 Aus. At least they are in the market there for a reasonable price.
If you want it to look tuff then do it, companies like SLP are already doing the work for you.
The idea that calling it a GTO is some sought of crime and they have not followed the ideals of the "GTO" legend is rediculous. Where have they gone wrong. Pontiac trade mark front end with the split grill, RWD, V8, excellant handling package, from GM anyway, 4 spot front brakes with 12" rotors, duel spot backend, so you have some way to stop the freight train.
Given that GM where going to leave you with nothing I think you have done pretty well, don't you.
I don't mean to sound offencive by this, but there seems to be a lot of misconception about the sought of car you are getting.</font>
AHH this man knows what he is talking about!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 99SilverSS:
You feel a 3 series BMW is more sxy looking than a 360 Modena or 575M Maranello. Yea the new 3 series are very very nice and the M3 is a killer car but compared to a Ferrari... BMW styling is kinda concervative twin round headlights in a swept headlight lens, 2 kidney bean grills, a rounded block style bumber and a large horizonatal opening in the lower front faschia accented by foglights at either end. That style has been around for a very long time. Not a flame I just found this comment interesting.</font>
You feel a 3 series BMW is more sxy looking than a 360 Modena or 575M Maranello. Yea the new 3 series are very very nice and the M3 is a killer car but compared to a Ferrari... BMW styling is kinda concervative twin round headlights in a swept headlight lens, 2 kidney bean grills, a rounded block style bumber and a large horizonatal opening in the lower front faschia accented by foglights at either end. That style has been around for a very long time. Not a flame I just found this comment interesting.</font>
my original comment was to tell you to not assume that your own tastes completely conisided with everyone elses. that is all.
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I think it is great that GM is at least making something new that has performance like a F-body it's a whole lot better than a front wheel drive p.o.s. something that you can buy off the show room floor and stomp rustangs!
BRING BACK THE F-BODY
BRING BACK THE F-BODY
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by AussieGTA:
A word from downunder. I have been a fan of American Muscle for years, as long as I have know about the existance of F-bodies I have wanted one and have now for some years. I felt for everyone in America, myself and every other F-body owner in the world when GM decided to kill them. I felt sorry for everyone over there when it looked like you had no replacement, unlike us here with a very healthy V8 market.
I have read most of these post and have come to a couple of conclusions. A. Most if any have not been lucky to see this car parked infront of them, or B, are just to picky for your own good.
What GM have offered you is a real size RWD V8 with a heap of power a back seat and trunk. Making it as practical as it is powerful. Not to mention all the spares and support you need for a car.
The idea that it looks like a Grand prix, well wait until you see them parked side by side before you make that opinion. You are taking about a car that is bigger then the original GTO.
The car is not that overpriced, not much more than a brand new Trans AM. Try buying one here for less than $70,000 Aus. At least they are in the market there for a reasonable price.
If you want it to look tuff then do it, companies like SLP are already doing the work for you.
The idea that calling it a GTO is some sought of crime and they have not followed the ideals of the "GTO" legend is rediculous. Where have they gone wrong. Pontiac trade mark front end with the split grill, RWD, V8, excellant handling package, from GM anyway, 4 spot front brakes with 12" rotors, duel spot backend, so you have some way to stop the freight train.
Given that GM where going to leave you with nothing I think you have done pretty well, don't you.
I don't mean to sound offencive by this, but there seems to be a lot of misconception about the sought of car you are getting.</font>
A word from downunder. I have been a fan of American Muscle for years, as long as I have know about the existance of F-bodies I have wanted one and have now for some years. I felt for everyone in America, myself and every other F-body owner in the world when GM decided to kill them. I felt sorry for everyone over there when it looked like you had no replacement, unlike us here with a very healthy V8 market.
I have read most of these post and have come to a couple of conclusions. A. Most if any have not been lucky to see this car parked infront of them, or B, are just to picky for your own good.
What GM have offered you is a real size RWD V8 with a heap of power a back seat and trunk. Making it as practical as it is powerful. Not to mention all the spares and support you need for a car.
The idea that it looks like a Grand prix, well wait until you see them parked side by side before you make that opinion. You are taking about a car that is bigger then the original GTO.
The car is not that overpriced, not much more than a brand new Trans AM. Try buying one here for less than $70,000 Aus. At least they are in the market there for a reasonable price.
If you want it to look tuff then do it, companies like SLP are already doing the work for you.
The idea that calling it a GTO is some sought of crime and they have not followed the ideals of the "GTO" legend is rediculous. Where have they gone wrong. Pontiac trade mark front end with the split grill, RWD, V8, excellant handling package, from GM anyway, 4 spot front brakes with 12" rotors, duel spot backend, so you have some way to stop the freight train.
Given that GM where going to leave you with nothing I think you have done pretty well, don't you.
I don't mean to sound offencive by this, but there seems to be a lot of misconception about the sought of car you are getting.</font>
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From: five-one-oh/nine-oh-nine
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by guionM:
Welcome to the board AussieGTA, & don't worry about being offensive. We talk like this all the time.</font>
Welcome to the board AussieGTA, & don't worry about being offensive. We talk like this all the time.
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[This message has been edited by morb|d (edited June 26, 2002).]
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It looks great, I want one.
Any of this added crap is just going to make the car more expensive, which I don't want. I plan on buying one, instead of an LS1 F-body.
As far as looking like a GTO, it does! Does it sort of look like a Grand Prix? A little bit, but thats not a bad thing. We haven't had muscle cars for awhile, and the term sleeper seems lost these days. I'm 23, and I'm ready for a nice coupe like this, it looks nice.
What I'm worried about is price and performance. I looked at the pic, it looks good, and thats that. GM could have ruined the Monaro and made some hideous car! We're lucky.
Also keep in mind that we begged for this car, and now we're getting it. I can't believe how many schmucks complain, and are only concerned with the looks of the car.
Sometimes, less is more.
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13.45 @ 102.5 MPH w/ 1.9 60' | 267 rwhp | 307 tq/lbs | 3535 lbs
"I know for a fact he is NOT an Easter bunny"
Any of this added crap is just going to make the car more expensive, which I don't want.
I plan on buying one, instead of an LS1 F-body. As far as looking like a GTO, it does! Does it sort of look like a Grand Prix? A little bit, but thats not a bad thing. We haven't had muscle cars for awhile, and the term sleeper seems lost these days. I'm 23, and I'm ready for a nice coupe like this, it looks nice.
What I'm worried about is price and performance. I looked at the pic, it looks good, and thats that. GM could have ruined the Monaro and made some hideous car! We're lucky.
Also keep in mind that we begged for this car, and now we're getting it. I can't believe how many schmucks complain, and are only concerned with the looks of the car.
Sometimes, less is more.
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FormulaV8.com · 1994 Formula · A4 · 3.23
13.45 @ 102.5 MPH w/ 1.9 60' | 267 rwhp | 307 tq/lbs | 3535 lbs
"I know for a fact he is NOT an Easter bunny"
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IZ28:
Sure we are glad we are getting a car like this from GM, we just want a GTO not a 360HP Grand Am/Prix.</font>
Sure we are glad we are getting a car like this from GM, we just want a GTO not a 360HP Grand Am/Prix.</font>
I truly believe that the overall mood would be totally different if this happened in '96 when the F-body was in full swing, the corvette was also, and the Impala SS (the real one) was on the streets.
It appears to me that people are acting like little desparate teenagers that are just happy to play hide the salami with anything with two legs!
What a number of people are saying is: raise the standards bar! And accept NOTHING less than excellence! Don't let the current situation change your level of integrity. Like I've said before: if you look at the car WITHOUT badges and say "That's a GTO" then it's a GTO. If not, then it ain't. And we should accept nothing less than the best. Especially not a hurry-up, slapped-together sham of a car that they are proposing.
The ending comments of the gent from Australia put it well: You should be GLAD to be getting a car like this given your current situation.
WRONG! We should let these pieces of **** ROT on the dealer's lots and buy all the mauraders, thunderbirds, and ford '49's we can get our hands on and give GM the BIRD!
Maybe then they might get the picture, but if we coddle them along with constant sales then they think everything's OK. We need to send a message. A strong one.
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'69 GTO 400 H.O. 350 HP
'96 Bonneville 231 S.D.
'96 Sunfire 2.4L H.O.
