did it anger you when the CEO's flew to washington?
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Someone actually with a level head finally gets it!!!!
The question should really be:
"Are you, the taxpayer, willing to pay for the "braintrust" of GM/Ford/Chrysler to travel on private aircraft, despite their inability to afford said travel themselves?"
If they have the money to do it, I could care less if they flew on jets nicer than Air Force One. However, if I'm going to pay for it, their @$$e$ better be flying coach or business class.
Yeah, sure the press made a mountain of a molehill like usual, but you have to admit, it was a real dumbass move on the CEOs' part.
"Are you, the taxpayer, willing to pay for the "braintrust" of GM/Ford/Chrysler to travel on private aircraft, despite their inability to afford said travel themselves?"
If they have the money to do it, I could care less if they flew on jets nicer than Air Force One. However, if I'm going to pay for it, their @$$e$ better be flying coach or business class.
Yeah, sure the press made a mountain of a molehill like usual, but you have to admit, it was a real dumbass move on the CEOs' part.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!
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I agree! I'm hoping a large degree of sober thinking will take hold among all that travel on the taxpayer dollar. Nancy Pelosi should be flying commercial. She's not asking for a government loan, but she is on the government payroll. Time for belt tightening, starting with all branches of our government.
I will say that the military can fly taxpayer paying the bill. That's my exception to the rule. That is, if a military person is flying to duty.
I also believe that the POTUS could make do with a smaller aircraft on the taxpayer's tab. Actually, the president should fly on military aircraft which are slated to fly to a location in the course of duty. No finer security there and any plane the POTUS is on is Airforce One.
We could all benefit from a bit of austerity symbolism. We could benefit even more if government thought about who's paying the bill.
I will say that the military can fly taxpayer paying the bill. That's my exception to the rule. That is, if a military person is flying to duty.
I also believe that the POTUS could make do with a smaller aircraft on the taxpayer's tab. Actually, the president should fly on military aircraft which are slated to fly to a location in the course of duty. No finer security there and any plane the POTUS is on is Airforce One.
We could all benefit from a bit of austerity symbolism. We could benefit even more if government thought about who's paying the bill.
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I agree! I'm hoping a large degree of sober thinking will take hold among all that travel on the taxpayer dollar. Nancy Pelosi should be flying commercial. She's not asking for a government loan, but she is on the government payroll. Time for belt tightening, starting with all branches of our government.
I will say that the military can fly taxpayer paying the bill. That's my exception to the rule. That is, if a military person is flying to duty.
I will say that the military can fly taxpayer paying the bill. That's my exception to the rule. That is, if a military person is flying to duty.
Us military folk already fly coach. That or we get reimbursed to drive to our next duty station if we choose to go that route INCONUS.
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I agree! I'm hoping a large degree of sober thinking will take hold among all that travel on the taxpayer dollar. Nancy Pelosi should be flying commercial. She's not asking for a government loan, but she is on the government payroll. Time for belt tightening, starting with all branches of our government.
I will say that the military can fly taxpayer paying the bill. That's my exception to the rule. That is, if a military person is flying to duty.
I also believe that the POTUS could make do with a smaller aircraft on the taxpayer's tab. Actually, the president should fly on military aircraft which are slated to fly to a location in the course of duty. No finer security there and any plane the POTUS is on is Airforce One.
We could all benefit from a bit of austerity symbolism. We could benefit even more if government thought about who's paying the bill.
I will say that the military can fly taxpayer paying the bill. That's my exception to the rule. That is, if a military person is flying to duty.
I also believe that the POTUS could make do with a smaller aircraft on the taxpayer's tab. Actually, the president should fly on military aircraft which are slated to fly to a location in the course of duty. No finer security there and any plane the POTUS is on is Airforce One.
We could all benefit from a bit of austerity symbolism. We could benefit even more if government thought about who's paying the bill.
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Didnt read the whole thread but no. What angered me was an incompetent clueless congressman scolding the heads of the big 3 each of whom have only come to be CEO relatively recently when congressional approval is or has been sub 20%. I believe he said something along the lines of "I am afraid to leave you to your own devices" Congressional advice was to sell the company jet, and have the CEO's who make millions leave the helm for a road trip.
Congressional advice was for these CEO's to leave the helm of their ships in this financial S storm and in GM's case drive a Hybrid to DC from Micigan on CEO salary when the company will run out of money at the end of the month. Talk about stupid...
Wagoner get some undeserved crap. He probably could have been CEO of another company that was already profitable or was easier to turn around. I look at what Lutz, and Welburn have been permitted to do and the quality inclease and Im impressed.
Congressional advice was for these CEO's to leave the helm of their ships in this financial S storm and in GM's case drive a Hybrid to DC from Micigan on CEO salary when the company will run out of money at the end of the month. Talk about stupid...
Wagoner get some undeserved crap. He probably could have been CEO of another company that was already profitable or was easier to turn around. I look at what Lutz, and Welburn have been permitted to do and the quality inclease and Im impressed.
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I have run into Jerry Brown and former treasury secretary Robert Reich (sp?) at Oakland airport in the Southwest area (of all places). I know Senator Feinstein flies business class commerical, and I can only assume Pelosi does too when she's commuting between Cali and DC.
Maybe she flies coach now. I hope so.
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Or even better yet...How many of yall have your own private jets paid for by US? I shoulda read the last page....lol! I'm pretty sure she's NOT flying coach....and I'm sure the broom is at the ready for anytime she can't ride on US!
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Maybe so Guy... I do recall some uproar in early February 2007, Department of Defense officials criticized Pelosi for using Air Force transportation in extravagance. Pelosi admitted to using a C-32 to fly coast to coast (from Washington to San Francisco) without refueling, but claims that she did not request the military version of a Boeing-757 specifically. Pelosi further claimed that the criticism was a retributive attack for her past criticism of Donald Rumsfeld and the war in Iraq.
Maybe she flies coach now. I hope so.
Maybe she flies coach now. I hope so.
Since then, I believe there have been restrictions on things like that (military aircraft) ie: emergencies, and sudden congressional recalls for votes. Most always, it's on a "space available" basis on aircraft already headed that way... which means the military will all but certain make a seat available. In Pelosi's case, that was highly unusual. But the Speaker of the House (like Executive cabinet members or their representitives) in my understanding have use of military "vip" planes when on official business. But any congressperson or elected official (even a county supervisor) who asks to ride on military craft will likely get a seat.
Our governor Arnold uses a private jet to commute between Sacremento and LA on the weekends, but he pays for that out of his own pocket.
Trivia: Ted Kennedy hitched a ride on a fighter jet to get to California when Robert Kennedy was shot.
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