did it anger you when the CEO's flew to washington?
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How much time did it take?
Most were driving prototype cars, I am sure there was a whole entorage of mechanics, and a trailers with equipment and maybe even some replacement vehicles.
The last thing they needed was to have one of there new "premier" vehicles break down along the way and leave them stranded, that would do great for sales with the public. Understandable since they are prototypes. Wouldn't surprise me if the roadtrip cost more.
I think its funny people don't see some of the biggest companies in the US might require having a private jet.
LOL Regal Cinemas has a private Jet. Yeah I can gurantee Regal Cinemas is nothing like the big 3 in size/money/jobs.
Most were driving prototype cars, I am sure there was a whole entorage of mechanics, and a trailers with equipment and maybe even some replacement vehicles.
The last thing they needed was to have one of there new "premier" vehicles break down along the way and leave them stranded, that would do great for sales with the public. Understandable since they are prototypes. Wouldn't surprise me if the roadtrip cost more.
I think its funny people don't see some of the biggest companies in the US might require having a private jet.
LOL Regal Cinemas has a private Jet. Yeah I can gurantee Regal Cinemas is nothing like the big 3 in size/money/jobs.
I'm sorry, but this has to be one of the dumbest things I've read here in awhile.
So, after over 100 YEARS of building cars, you don't think GM can make a prototype that will get to DC and back? Come on now. If they can't, then there's no way in hell a federal bailout will save them.
Also, and this point has been made here AD NAUSEAM, but Regal Cinemas ISN'T ASKING FOR A FEDERAL BAILOUT. If they can afford stuff like a private jet and still run a PROFITABLE business, then more power to them.
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I'm sorry, but this has to be one of the dumbest things I've read here in awhile.
So, after over 100 YEARS of building cars, you don't think GM can make a prototype that will get to DC and back? Come on now. If they can't, then there's no way in hell a federal bailout will save them.
Also, and this point has been made here AD NAUSEAM, but Regal Cinemas ISN'T ASKING FOR A FEDERAL BAILOUT. If they can afford stuff like a private jet and still run a PROFITABLE business, then more power to them.
Regal Cinemas isn't to profitable, they are hurting, why do you think they raised prices again?
LOL they were chapter 11 5 years ago.
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The other thing to be considered is that you don't want to pack all of your company's most important people into a single airplane or vehicle.
I.e. what if the plane goes down?
Restructuring jokes aside, it's not a smart idea.
I.e. what if the plane goes down?
Restructuring jokes aside, it's not a smart idea.
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Its rediculous, its the liberal media, and a bit of a liberal congress just showing their hate for the automotive/manufacturing industry.
If anyone has Playboy, there is a really good article about the decline of manufacturing jobs and how our economy has really suffered from it.
If anyone has Playboy, there is a really good article about the decline of manufacturing jobs and how our economy has really suffered from it.
Financially "conservative" people tend to be against bailouts of any kind.
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Just a stupid Washington side show to bust them up a bit and let them know that mudslinging is still a favorite pastime on Capitol Hill.
But if you're Bear Sterns, AIG or Citigroup don't worry about the jet we'll just send the check!
But if you're Bear Sterns, AIG or Citigroup don't worry about the jet we'll just send the check!
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I don't care if they fly on their own private jets. However when you're begging the government for $34 billion and you just wasted $30,000 on a single flight to Washington, that's just asking for people to wonder why we should bail them out.
Again not that I care, but IMO it's how people see it.
Again not that I care, but IMO it's how people see it.
We've been through this. This particular trip cost no more than $3k to $4k tops on the jets they used.
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Sorry I had to cut out early. I was in the bathroom, which turned out to be a great place to read your replies since I was already in the presence of a pile of crap. 
At any rate, the purpose of a preproduction vehicle (which would be the Volt that Waggoner is taking to Washington) is to test out the company's parts and designs to find and eliminate failures and to make improvements to the original design. Sure, they could have taken a Malibu that's already in production with proven assembly and technology, but since this whole hearing session has become a media circus, GM has decided to showcase part of its plan for moving forward with technology. They're taking what will be a class leader and a game changer instead of one of their "old crappy, gas guzzling cars" that you seem to be callling them out for in an earlier post.
If they do bring along maintenance technicians with them on the Volt journey, it won't exactly be because they don't trust the car. They're just covering their bases incase something does come up that proves to be problematic.
You might be surprised to know that most preproduction cars (concepts, prototypes, what have you) run into problems during their testing phases. That goes for imports and domestics. It's a part of the process. They test their cars, find the problems, and fix them. The Volt has a hell of a lot of new technology that's just being implemented and hasn't had a whole lot of time on the road to be proven and have all the bugs worked out. GM is just playing some good old CYA if they bring a few techs with them on their road trip.
At any rate, the purpose of a preproduction vehicle (which would be the Volt that Waggoner is taking to Washington) is to test out the company's parts and designs to find and eliminate failures and to make improvements to the original design. Sure, they could have taken a Malibu that's already in production with proven assembly and technology, but since this whole hearing session has become a media circus, GM has decided to showcase part of its plan for moving forward with technology. They're taking what will be a class leader and a game changer instead of one of their "old crappy, gas guzzling cars" that you seem to be callling them out for in an earlier post.
If they do bring along maintenance technicians with them on the Volt journey, it won't exactly be because they don't trust the car. They're just covering their bases incase something does come up that proves to be problematic.
You might be surprised to know that most preproduction cars (concepts, prototypes, what have you) run into problems during their testing phases. That goes for imports and domestics. It's a part of the process. They test their cars, find the problems, and fix them. The Volt has a hell of a lot of new technology that's just being implemented and hasn't had a whole lot of time on the road to be proven and have all the bugs worked out. GM is just playing some good old CYA if they bring a few techs with them on their road trip.
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Sorry I had to cut out early. I was in the bathroom, which turned out to be a great place to read your replies since I was already in the presence of a pile of crap.
At any rate, the purpose of a preproduction vehicle (which would be the Volt that Waggoner is taking to Washington) is to test out the company's parts and designs to find and eliminate failures and to make improvements to the original design. Sure, they could have taken a Malibu that's already in production with proven assembly and technology, but since this whole hearing session has become a media circus, GM has decided to showcase part of its plan for moving forward with technology. They're taking what will be a class leader and a game changer instead of one of their "old crappy, gas guzzling cars" that you seem to be callling them out for in an earlier post.
If they do bring along maintenance technicians with them on the Volt journey, it won't exactly be because they don't trust the car. They're just covering their bases incase something does come up that proves to be problematic.
You might be surprised to know that most preproduction cars (concepts, prototypes, what have you) run into problems during their testing phases. That goes for imports and domestics. It's a part of the process. They test their cars, find the problems, and fix them. The Volt has a hell of a lot of new technology that's just being implemented and hasn't had a whole lot of time on the road to be proven and have all the bugs worked out. GM is just playing some good old CYA if they bring a few techs with them on their road trip.
At any rate, the purpose of a preproduction vehicle (which would be the Volt that Waggoner is taking to Washington) is to test out the company's parts and designs to find and eliminate failures and to make improvements to the original design. Sure, they could have taken a Malibu that's already in production with proven assembly and technology, but since this whole hearing session has become a media circus, GM has decided to showcase part of its plan for moving forward with technology. They're taking what will be a class leader and a game changer instead of one of their "old crappy, gas guzzling cars" that you seem to be callling them out for in an earlier post.
If they do bring along maintenance technicians with them on the Volt journey, it won't exactly be because they don't trust the car. They're just covering their bases incase something does come up that proves to be problematic.
You might be surprised to know that most preproduction cars (concepts, prototypes, what have you) run into problems during their testing phases. That goes for imports and domestics. It's a part of the process. They test their cars, find the problems, and fix them. The Volt has a hell of a lot of new technology that's just being implemented and hasn't had a whole lot of time on the road to be proven and have all the bugs worked out. GM is just playing some good old CYA if they bring a few techs with them on their road trip.
However, I'd like to pose this question. How long do you think the propulsion technology that's going into the Volt has been around? I'm not asking this because I don't know (because I do know), but I want to see if anyone around here actually does know.
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OK, point taken.
However, I'd like to pose this question. How long do you think the propulsion technology that's going into the Volt has been around? I'm not asking this because I don't know (because I do know), but I want to see if anyone around here actually does know.
However, I'd like to pose this question. How long do you think the propulsion technology that's going into the Volt has been around? I'm not asking this because I don't know (because I do know), but I want to see if anyone around here actually does know.