for the G8 if it went to chevy all they'd have to do is just put the holden nose on it and use a chevy badge instead of the holden one. very easy and cheap.

 

Or better yet, use the Chevy nose/badging they already use on it in the Middle East as the Chevrolet Lumina.

 

i like the holden one better.

 

I like the Pontiac the best....by far.....

 

Whenever I see the emblem in the grill, all I can think of is the Thunder Cats.

 

^ awesome! i knew i liked it for a reason.

 

If the G8 went to Chevy, just call it the Chevelle and be done with it.

 

Because GMC is the luxury truck brand, where GM puts a few options on it and charges a premium. They make a nice profit from GMC

 

I think the days of the Big 3 mustering 50% market share, and GM over 20%, are pretty much gone for a long, long time. I remember Guy on here stating that if GM hit 20% market share, the chit was gonna hit the fan...and it has. We're at a critical time here, where people need to realize WITHOUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, GM WOULD BE IN LIQUIDATION RIGHT NOW.

(caps used for the Ostrich Crew )

I don't think Obama wants to destroy GM. I don't even think he wants it to be all-green, either, because its obvious green cars are great, but they don't make money. GM needs to get off the government teat, and stand on its own...and that means profitable cars, SUVs, sports cars and all...

I've been really, really angry about GM's handling of Pontiac for, what, 5 years now? None of this stuff surprises me...and I'd rather see GM hurt, restructure, downsize, and come out of this ALIVE than continue to produce great cars at MASSIVE losses. I would park a Malibu, and maybe even a Camaro, in my driveway tomorrow. I say maybe on the Camaro because that dash is still puky....

When Toyota is only a couple points in market share behind GM, and Chrysler, little old CHRYSLER has 2/3 of the market share of GM (12.5% versus 18.5% in March) when its a vastly smaller company and has half the dealer network, something is clearly wrong here. GM needs to shed brands and dealers. Now. Get it over with. It hurts, but its the truth.

The truth is GM squandered its RIGHT, its ABILITY, to market so many cars and brands. It castrated Pontiac this decade. It's ignored Buick since the early '90s, continually cutting car lines even worse than it did with Pontiac. All the money pumped into Saturn was pointless. After being a success, early, the cars were terrible (Ion, 1st gen Vue, L Series anyone??) Later, the cars were great, but the marketing was terrible.

Cadillac and Chevy are the ONLY CAR LINES GM HAS DONE RIGHT IN YEARS. Period. Lets accept that, and move on. We don't need 8 limping divisions...we need 3 strong ones. Maybe Toyota will be come the #1 seller in America...baseball, hotdogs, apple pie and a Tundra

But you know what? Give 5-10 years for the dust to settle from this year, and if Ford continues to knock them out, Chrysler and Fiat make things work (I truly believe they can), and a downsized GM with a fabulous product portfolio and 3 car lines makes a go of it, maybe the Big 3 can claw their way back to 50%.

From the ashes can come greatness...but its gonna take some serious WORK on GM's part to get there. I'm as die-hard a GM fan as anyone here, despite making my living pushing Chryslers. It absolutely kills me to lose Pontiac...even Saturn, after all the work GM has put into it, plus I love the cars they make today.

But that's reality. Toyota rocks this market with 3 brands...GM needs to, as well.

 

That's where I'm at as well, Jason. As much as I'd like to see all of GM's brands survive, I know that's just not going to happen. I'd rather GM spent it's resources on one spectacular product rather that 6 lukewarm rebadges.

 

I think the problem with GM's board, management, dealers, and even us enthusiasts, is that we all look through things with rose-colored glasses. We WANT GM to give us the Firebird...the RWD muscle coupes...the economy, the sporty, the near luxury, the luxury lines...

Problem is, it makes no sense anymore...

Toyota and Honda proved you can do ECONOMICAL without being CHEAP. Meanwhile, add a luxury brand for flavor, and you're all done, and can cover the market well. There is no room anymore to make a Chevy cheaper so that the Pontiac and Buick can be nicer. Hell, right now the Chevy is NICER than the Pontiac sometimes (Malibu vs. G6).

America spoke a LONG time ago when it started buying foreign in droves...GM didn't listen. If they HAD, I think a lot of what's being done now could've been done in the EIGHTIES!!! If we'd killed Olds and Buick back then, and never added Saturn, and made a QUALITY product, what would we have today? If we'd stopped pandering to the UAW, and these crushing legacy costs GM has been paying for WAY too long?

Likely? We'd have a solid Chevy/Pontiac/Cadillac/GMC that'd be better off than Ford. Think about it...Saturn was created to woo non-GM buyers. So, what the hell was so wrong with GM cars that they needed a whole new brand!?!?

What if they'd just fixed the problems back then? This is why I have less compassion than some on here. I want more people to buy American. Hell, my own truck has a bumper sticker that says "Out of a Job Yet? Keep Buying Foreign!" I see foreign car drivers snickering every now and then at a stoplight behind me. I don't care.

I just wish they'd stop, think, and try an American car for a change. That would help at least PART of this. But the whole time Wagoner was whining about credit markets?

Credit markets didn't kill GM. GM's lack of management facing reality killed GM...for about 20 years now. I'm amazed they lasted this long...

 

Ahhh the annual "Pontiac is dead" thread has gone quarterly. Yaaaawn, More shoddy "journalism".

Directly from Henderson's mouth-
http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...904179993/1229

 

the G8 with a Chevy symbol sure could lead to a nice El Camino vehicle...

 

Other than the emblems/bar, I see no difference between them.

I agree, "Chevelle" would be a better name, however I was thinking "cost". The "Lumina" stampings and parts are already done, therefore there's no development costs.

 

I just meant I liked the Pontiac execution better than the Holden/Chevrolet front end (you're correct, only difference is the badge.). If they put that "Chevrolet" front end on the G8, and sold it as a Chevy here, I think the looks of the car get severely diminished. To my eyes anyway.