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show#1038 on the "chinese imports" segment....

 

Defending any brand or particular vehicle against asinine and inane comments and assertions (as I have and will continue to do here) is not “pushing” a brand...it's called debate and discussion.

What is ridiculous and pointless is to continue to argue the “buy American” issue as if there is anything new to be said…it’s all be said, many, many times and while I agree that people are free to use this thread and any other thread to do so, it’s still a pointless waste of time no matter what side of the issue anyone happens to be on.

 

Or, maybe the "ramifications of China entering the vehicle manufacturing market" are WHY some of us encourage the purchase of domestic brands. What the hell? It is all part and partial of the same discussion. Again, what was the point of posting this article if not to discuss these types of issues? And I notice you didn't reply when I mentioned the parallels between the possible influx of Chinese cars and the influx of Japanese brands decades ago...

 

Well, apparently you are simply on a higher plane intellectually than most of us.

How does one discuss ramifications of the Chinese selling cars here without discussing its impact on the traditional American manufacturers, or the ideal of "buy American" as a whole. Please enlighten us.

 

I can't think of a more appropriate thread for the Buy American theme to surface.

Seems one in the same to me.

 

I hope you're not being sarcastic....because me and some other members predicted this a while back (discussed 6 or so months ago), at the first talk of China getting their foot into the American auto industry.

 

graham,

If you honestly don’t see a difference between the concepts of debate about and discussion of an issue compared to “pushing” something then, respectively, you must not understand the concept of debate/discussion.

This may be an “appropriate thread” for the buy American theme to surface but that doesn’t change my view that it’s a pointless issue about which to argue, again - there simply isn’t anything truly new to say about it nor is anyone’s opinion on the issue likely to be swayed by rehashing the same old tired arguments.

However, if you or others want to spend time arguing the same points again, I guess that’s up to you all!

 

So then I suppose you're in a position to go into detail about the effect on China's economy and society... Because thats the only way we're going to get new information out of this thread.

 

In case you missed it, Mr. Nissan.

 

Whadidido?!?!

I can't speak my peace in this thread... the originator doesn't want to discuss it.


It won't take NEARLY that long.
I say 5-6 years MAX.

I am already on the record for claiming that China will be the economic powerhouse of the world in less than 5 years, and after that they go on to become the legislative powerhouse and the military powerhouse of the world within 10-15 years. Once they break through the economical barrier, they will become technology leaders, and THAT is when the tables get turned and we Americans start realizing what the f**k we have done to ourselves.
Imagine the same China that today refuses to take a stand against nuclear proliferation in Korea, a China that defies US policy, a China that defies ecological preservation, a China that can levy trade sanctions against the USA as easily as Malaysia... THAT China will be CREATING the technology used in communications, medical, and defense industries - NOT US ANYMORE.

To those naysayers who think I am "the boy who cries wolf".... fine... just don't come to me looking for a job in 20 years... I'll send your @ss straight to China to find one and I won't shed a tear watching you drive out of my driveway in your import when you leave either. Bank on it.

(PS - sorry for the crabs - kinda bad day at work and I'm just not in a great mood. Tired of working my butt off for ingrateful wealthy executives drawing insane amounts of money and bonuses for making WRONG decisions that I have to live with. Just had a 2-hour meeting to discuss what the moronic Chinese kids are doing to our production equipment and what I have to do to fix it - some of this crap is unbelievable... like breaking off electrical connectors by using them as steps for climbing onto the machines while they are running! They want me to design guards (or steps) to protect plugs and utility connections on my machines instead of firing the retards that refuse to obey safety procedures and protocol. Also just found out I have to go to Manchester, UK next Tuesday and it looks like my Thanksgiving is going to get wrecked... Easter in Taiwan, 4th July in China, Thanksgiving in England, and Christmas still in jeopardy... man - this sux.)

So anyways, I won't pipe-up on the "buy-American" thing this time.
Have fun!

 

Awesome post. Thanks, Proud.

I hope your day(s) get better, especially your holidays.

 

Happy Aveo customers are likely to buy an American made Cobalt or Malibu the next time around when they are better off financially.

Happy Chinacar customers will stick with cheap Chinese made cars. This is home Hyundia and Kia made it in the US market.

 

No...didn't miss it; just didn't feel it was worth my time replying to it.

If you want to actually discuss something then I'm up for that but history would suggest that you're more interested in spouting your opinions - that's Ok too but I don't need to participate for you to do that.

 

I'm seeing shades of redzed in here...

So basically, no reply to the concept of the influx of Chinese cars being not unlike the influx of Japanese cars over the past several decades. I'd say THAT has had an effect on our industry and our economy (not to mention Japan's). Seems like legitimate discussion material to me.

I'm still wondering what the hell you expected to discuss when posting an article on this subject. No one has posted anything saying "Buy American!! Foreign cars are teh suxor!!11!!1". But the effects of buying these Chinese cars relative to buying a domestic name is pretty much the central point of the thread, it seems to me. Sorry we can't all play at your high level of intellect.

Read ProudPony's post. Twice.I have a problem with China, but I see things like the Aveo as a necessary evil. As others have said, if we can get them in the door buying a cheap Aveo and then getting hooked on the brand, that is great. The problem is, the Chinese won't stop at flooding us with cheap small cars. Eventually (and more quickly than we think in China's case) they'll be wanting to move to midsize sedans, suvs, even trucks. For evidence of this, one need only look in the local mall parking lot at all the Toyota Camrys and 4Runners, Honda Accords and Ridgelines, and nearby find a new Hyundai Azera or Sonata, Kia Sorrento, etc. Besides, GM, Ford, Toyota, et al are showing China how to build cars by building plants over there. Think the Chinese government will have any second thoughts about using the expertise against us? How about flat out taking over a plant? I wouldn't put anything past them...

 

An engineering firm we use for contract and fabrication work revealed to me a quotation for a US-based company wanting to build in China. As a part of the bidding, the engineering firm was required to disclose the way they made the parts, assembled the machines, all operating and electrical programming, the machines used in making the equipment, and any special tooling that was required to do the work - in short, teach them everything about it... they would retain nothing as proprietary. The firm (based outside of Richmond, VA) turned down the offer to do the work - thank heavens. I am even more loyal to them now - they just earned a contract award to build several $million$-worth of equipment for our next project and I am glad they won the bidding.

Point is - the Chinese government is encouraging it's corporations over there to gain technology and expertise any way they can, even if it means asking unethical things like proprietary disclosures (which would be illegal in most States). I think it is very ulikely (because they are receiving so much revenue from it) that China would simply drop an iron curtain across their trade zones where foreign companies are allowed to operate and seize the companies and their assets - but it could happen... they are still communist, and soon they will be more powerful (economically, financially, and militarilly) than even the USA - so who would stop them?

I promise you this much... the wealthy executives that sold all our manufacturing equipment and jobs to China WILL NOT be the ones who will cry when the US economy comes on parity with China's, or Africa's, or Malaysia's... they will be on perpetual vacation in some 3rd world. The working stiffs in America will be the ones living in squalor and struggling to make it. Figure out quickly which class you think you will be in because times-a-tickin' away.