Ok doctor, you say so. Trash science, thats good! Trillions of dollars? A CPA too. Only time will tell who's wrong and who's right. So in the meantime, keep guzzling gas and spewing toxic air.

 

Well its plain to see that someone or some books have filled your head with as much non global warming propoganda as you beleive we have ingested on the opposing side.

I'd like to know what legitimate sources you're gathering this information from. I know how you like to quote what you read in print because it is somehow more truthful because its printed.
All the anti-global warming propoganda I've seen has always been funded, maybe not openly, by a group who stands to profit from that viewpoint.

All I can say is the water level has risen and it has done so from the last Ice age 18,000 years ago. There has been an accelerated period of sea level rise since 1900 but from what who knows. Where is the water comming from well like you said Greenland and Antartica. Glaciers that slide off into the ocean raise the water level. I'm not saying the ice sheets will melt heck most of the ice is high enough in elevation to stay frozen. But they can be weakened by higher temps and slide into the ocean.

Not to worry though 120,000 years ago the sea level was 6m higher than today but I wasn't here to tell you what effect it had on Manhattan or Santa Monica pier....

Next, IF the Greenland and Antartic ice sheets were to melt or their above sea level ice were to get into the oceans the levels would rise about 70m. (m not mm) Not likely but not unlikely either if you read about the history of the earth.

I don't have to prove global warming is happening or isn't but the changes are there for you to draw conclusions as you like. But don't try to tell me its not happening. I expect more from you than that.

Lastly your weak point that somehow our economy would be ruined by spending trillions to stop global warming is funny. Where do you think the money will go? Will we just throw it into the ocean and hope the floating money will block the sunlight from entering the water and thus lowering the temp..... Not hardly that money like all money spent in our economy will stay in the economy. If trillions are spent on fighiting global warming then its money not spent on oil or coal (example) and so the economy will shift not stop. Unless we have robots or people from another economy not associated with ours (try finding one) to clean up the enviorment the people who do so will need to have a home, get to work and eat. Isn't that the basis of our economy.

 

As a mater of fact I do know a bit about accounting and yes, I will keep guzzling gas and spwing toxic air, thank you..in fact, a few weeks ago I ordered a brand new, bigass luxury SUV to do just that (my Basset Hound needed more room than my Titan offered).

I can’t help but wonder why someone who sees no evil in an enemy like China can find such evil in the form of global warming…I also wonder how you reconcile being a high-performance auto enthusiast (and if you aren’t why are you here?) while so strongly embracing a theory who’s proponents would like nothing better than to have society do away with automobiles (or at least, the private/personal automobile). After all, I doubt the next Camaro is going to use squirrels in a cage or solar panels for its powerplant.

 

If we spend trillions on ending global warming China will profit trillions because they dont give a crap. So its all really kind of silly arguing. I doubt people around the world will even care when symptoms of catastrophic climate change start effecting their way of life. People are crapbags like that you know. You really think that Asia, Middle East, Africa, South America, Eastern Europe and Russia are really ever going to give a **** about global warming? Haha yeah right. They will laugh all the way to the bank as the US, Japan, Canada and Europe spend Trillions and Trillions of $ on fighting global warming. And this is all based on science we are not even sure will work. I doubt we could curb global warming if we wanted to. Hell politicians cant even get together on issues such as how to beat Iraq and now they want to take on mother nature?

 

99SilverSS,

I suspect we could carry on this argument about global warming forever. I could quote scientists and post links all day long and so can you and it won’t prove anything; especially to those who don’t want to know. Also, anybody here has the same ability to research the issue for themselves if they actually have a desire to know more than what Katie Couric tells them at 6PM.

People, even scientists but especially the public, tend to think that whatever they’ve seen change in their lifetime reflects some significant trend – that’s rarely true with societal changes and it especially isn’t true when talking about geological processes…significant “global warming” over the past 200 years, if it exist, proves nothing about the Earth’s cycles which must be measured in terms of hundreds of thousands or years.

If the proponents of global warming had their way, we would have no cars and we would all be living on farms growing our own food, weaving cloth and making our own cloths and we wouldn’t travel anywhere that our own legs, horse or perhaps bicycles couldn’t take us - where 90% or our waking hours were given over to simply ensuring we could survive until the next day. While we can be nostalgic for that kind of lifestyle it’s not one I want to live today.

Hyperbole aside, I think the most correct thing anyone can say about global warming is that no one actually knows with certainty or can prove it’s happening and/or if it’s simply the results of the Earth’s normal cycles nor do we know with any certainty if there is anything man should or even can do about it. The “science” is, at its very best, inconclusive. Certainly, the science is too inconclusive to justify spending trillions of dollars to “fix” a problem that may not exist at all or that can’t be fixed.

All the above aside, global warming also has little if anything to do with the issues raised in this thread except for the issue that there are those who want the western world (especially the US) to be held to a higher standard than countries like China will ever be…does anyone here really think that China is going to impose the kind of restrictions (and their costs) on their government owned industries that the US already does or the additional changes/restrictions that global warming alarmists want to impose?

As to the spending issue…not all spending is good spending - some spending simply makes life more expensive fore everyone. We can argue the respective benefits of much of the safety and environmental related spending involved in the automotive business today but there is no question that all the “stuff” required by government today adds weight and costs (and extended costs in the form of lower MPG) that ultimately the consumer pays for. I’d agree that the companies that make the components used “benefit” from the mandated spending but it still ends up costing the consumer more.


Hwppy Thanksgiving.

 

Mr. Nashville,

I agree neither of us is going to convince the other. And really its not my point. Earlier in the thread some arguements were made that stated the earth isn't getting warmer and the ice caps are not melting as if nothing is happening. All I'm saying is somehting is happening and has been happening for a long time. It's rather nieve to say nothing is happening. Our difference is I'm not going to assign blame to whats changing. Is it global warming maybe, is it a natural earth cycle, thats possible too. I don't know and I doubt you do either. But again somehting is happening. I'm not a tree hugger I mean we are discussing this on a forum based on Camaro's for gosh sake!

But you've called the pro-global warming ideas as trash science and I don't think its a fair claim.

You obviouly don't feel that global warming is a problem derived from man. Thats fine. The issue I have with most groups whom proclaim global warming isn't happening or not from mankind they just dismiss the whole idea as if nothing is changing. I could give their argument more acceptance if they at least acknowledged the changes in the world are happening. Blame it on natural earth cycles or whatever but don't say nothing is happening. We can argue about what will happen or why the changes are happening but the facts seem to show the earth is changing. But thats a given when you read some of these "everything is fine" reports and you find that a group funded by Exxon wrote it.

But this is all amounts to a hill of beans since China isn't going to make any concessions to global warming or the enviornment. So if the global warming is man made then we will have some problems ahead and if its a natural earth cycle then we still have some significant problems ahead. Either way a warming world means we as humans will need to adapt. I don't see the harm in trying to control our use of natural resources and curbing greenhouse gasses if possible. Lets not stop driving or working but I think we should keep moving forward.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours!

 

Like I said in previous posts, nobody is forcing people to deal w/ china. If the US thinks China is evil, then why continue trade relations w/ them? China is a sovereign country, so the US cannot impose what it wants on them. Just because China is not doing what the US wants them to do doesnt mean they're evil. How would you feel if some country does the same to US? Of course this is improbable as the US is a force to be reckoned with. If US wants a piece of the huge china pie, they have no choice but to abide. This is the same way with regard to China entering the US market.

I am not really a performance buff. Im on this site because I like the Camaro and would probably just get a V6. I like cars in general, and dont care about the brand so long as I like it. That's why i find it quite funny when people bash other brands just because its not GM Well, its nice to have a good debate once in a while and this was a good thread. Happy thanksgiving!

 

Dont worry, people thought the same thing about Galileo when he said that the earth is not the center of the universe. Same with Darwin's theory of evolution. Some people just need to see to believe. Heck, I wont be surprised if some still think the world is flat.

Happy Thanskgiving again!

 

No matter what China will not concern itself with global warming issues.