I absolutely agree w/ the above, w/ the exception of the crank windows...come on man! Think Catera or Bonneville for the turd.

 

yea i had a 2002 v6 camaro that was totally stripped, crank windows, no defroster, no keyfob... man that was terrible

 

Is Cadillac getting a new or updated Sigma?

 

Yes. The new CTS is due shortly... couple of years.

 

I think some of you guys are missing the point. As you grow up and mature, you are expected to WANT TO migrate from Camaro to Cadillac. If not, then GM isn't doing their job.

Think about it. You're older. You make more money. Image, style and grace are important, yet you still have the longing to smack someone in the face from time to time and mash the accelerator to the floor board.

You are now GM's target Cadillac audience.

Then when you hit 50, and happen to suffer a midlife crisis; you move towards Corvette, a hair transplant and a twenty-something trophy mistress.

 

I'll have you know, you little whipersnapper, that I just turned 48 and have a full head of hair.....but I feel a mid-life crisis coming on...just got the Corvette......wife would neuter me if I had a "trophy" But i still LOVE my Camaro......Ok it's a 1969, but still.....

 

That was my point. I've never really seen the Camaro as the "rough, unrefined car." Granted, when I bought my '94 i realized that they were semi-rough cars, but before then I thought of them as "lacking options."

I'm trying to say that the new Camaro should be a refined car. Smooth powertrain. Solid handling. Smooth drivetrain. But, with stuff like cloth seats, crank windows, and the like. Not all the lux options.

 

Be careful not to fall down and break a hip there Gramps.

 

 

Hardy har har har......

 

Glad to see your sense of humor back since you got the Viagara prescription refilled.


I got a million of 'em...

Wanna hear some Helen Keller jokes?

 

I'm 27. My first F-body was a 1995 Formula that I bought back in 1998. I now have a 2002 Firehawk that I bought brand new in 2002. I enjoy the firehawk alot but when I see that the MSRP of my car is $35,000 and I dont have onstar, heated seats, navigation, heated mirrors, etc I feel kinda cheated. My freind has a 2001 Jetta that has heated seats and Grand Prixs have heated seats and HUD's. If the new camaro is to be succesful it has to appeal to everyone not just people that want a box with a 454 in it.

 

Stop right there.

If you bought a Firehawk searching for luxury and appointments, then you bought the wrong car.

If you need some convincing as to the wisdom of your purchase relative to his, line them both up at a stoplight and press the big long pedal on the right all the way down to the floor when the light turns green...

That should help remind you of what the machine you bought is.

He got heated seats and a motor made for girls.

You got non-heated seats and fire-breathing dragon of an American V8 with the transmission, braking and handling to match, and if that ain't enough for you, turn in your ********* now and go buy a Jetta.

 

Exactly! I think the SLP options were overpriced. If the 5th gen was 100% internal to GM I think the premium models would max out cheaper.

 

Platform details aside, I think the biggest choice for me, for RWD V8 power in the GM camp, would be GTO or Camaro.. Especially since I can see both being almost equal in price, loaded to the hilt.

So then the question would be, would the GTO's more lux and toys, more supple ride, heavier weight..

or the Camaor's more aggresive performance and ride, with hopefully better brakes, lighter weight, more hp, etc for much better raw peformance stats.

Either that or I'd expect the Camaro is simply going to be cheaper, for about the same equiv performance specs (I'd assume the Camaro will sitll be more agressive tuned in suspension though) with just less lux inside.. then is the question of say, do I want to spend the extra $ to get a nicer overall car instead.

Bottom line, its all about overall VALUE(not just simply raw performance/$). With comprable value, then it should simply be a consideration of lux vs performance tradeoffs.