2010 Mustang 5.0 Specs
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V Stock long block and minor bolt-ons. I say that is pretty impressive for about 250rwhp at most and full weight. The early PI heads had the thread issue with the spark plug holes due to only having 2 threads instead of 4. 01+ is when all other vehicles received the PI versions of the sohc 4.6l. Mustang was the first in 99.
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V Stock long block and minor bolt-ons. I say that is pretty impressive for about 250rwhp at most and full weight. The early PI heads had the thread issue with the spark plug holes due to only having 2 threads instead of 4. 01+ is when all other vehicles received the PI versions of the sohc 4.6l. Mustang was the first in 99.
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Well there are always people who are going to take the path of least resistance, but the same has held true even when it was only the SBF, I went to a Super Chevy show some years back and there was a significant contingent of 1st gen SBC powered foxbodies which struck me as funny since the SBF aftermarket was in full rage.
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For old Pushrodders there is no greater aftermarket than that for the SBC. That is why most Fox owners who switch do so. The cars a few years back were already cheap. Why not go with a engine combo that is able to be retrieved from basically every junk yard in the country?
Also look at how much power a Modular block can handle. Without additional strength or "massaging" the block alone can handle north of 1500hp! Find me one LSx engine that would take that.
I've said it before and I will say it again. Believe it or not all things being equal the Modular engine will always make more Hp than its pushrod counterpart.
But for cheap performance the pushrod engines are lightyears ahead of the modulars.
Also look at how much power a Modular block can handle. Without additional strength or "massaging" the block alone can handle north of 1500hp! Find me one LSx engine that would take that.
I've said it before and I will say it again. Believe it or not all things being equal the Modular engine will always make more Hp than its pushrod counterpart.
But for cheap performance the pushrod engines are lightyears ahead of the modulars.
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This whole notion that Ford is just NOW catching up to GM in hp/tq is ridiculous. I'm pretty sure Ford was making Ls2/s3 power with a mod motor before the Ls2/Ls3's even came out...that motor was the S/c'd 4.6's back in late 02 and early 03. I don't know why some of you pretend or talk as if that motor never existed. And you're talking about motors that were amazing in stock to slightly modified
...now the boosted mod motors are some of the easiest, strongest, and most potent factory v8's to mod.
I already know what's coming..."but but it's s/c'd, no fair". So what? Who said a motor had to be N/A?
The N/A mod motors aren't all that impressive but fulfill their purpose as base engines and base entry-level performance engines. I know it's easy to latch on to Ford's base v8 offering and use that in a comparo as if its the only mod motor in existence, but the reality is that Ford offers other mod motors in the Mustang and they've not only surpassed Ls3 levels, but have approached Ls7/LSA levels (GT500's 500hp, and GT500KR's 540hp).
Anyways, the next couple of years should be interesting. Looking forward to cross-shopping both camaro and mustang come 2011
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...now the boosted mod motors are some of the easiest, strongest, and most potent factory v8's to mod. I already know what's coming..."but but it's s/c'd, no fair". So what? Who said a motor had to be N/A?
The N/A mod motors aren't all that impressive but fulfill their purpose as base engines and base entry-level performance engines. I know it's easy to latch on to Ford's base v8 offering and use that in a comparo as if its the only mod motor in existence, but the reality is that Ford offers other mod motors in the Mustang and they've not only surpassed Ls3 levels, but have approached Ls7/LSA levels (GT500's 500hp, and GT500KR's 540hp).
Anyways, the next couple of years should be interesting. Looking forward to cross-shopping both camaro and mustang come 2011
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Using stock components compared to a pushrod SBF - Hell yeah, The last major update for a production SBF was in about 199? or so with the GT40P cylinderhead - at best these engines are good for maybe the upper 400 hp range without porting where a DOHC mod motor can eclipse the 500hp mark with stock heads. The mod motor's only real downfall is the very small bore size (3.550") relative to its displacement. All the current 5.0 engines in Ford's inventory use a 3.70" bore and that alone increases cylinder head flow by 30 or 40 cfm (and enough to allow the engine to reach the 600hp mark).
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Using stock components compared to a pushrod SBF - Hell yeah, The last major update for a production SBF was in about 199? or so with the GT40P cylinderhead - at best these engines are good for maybe the upper 400 hp range without porting where a DOHC mod motor can eclipse the 500hp mark with stock heads. The mod motor's only real downfall is the very small bore size (3.550") relative to its displacement. All the current 5.0 engines in Ford's inventory use a 3.70" bore and that alone increases cylinder head flow by 30 or 40 cfm (and enough to allow the engine to reach the 600hp mark).
At what displacement?
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It helps to visualize how tall the car is (which may have been your point). I hadn't paid much attention to the height number. Well, people have complained about the F4 being too low to the ground. I guess it's safe to say that F5 will not get such complaints.
When Dodge publicized the picture of the two Challengers nose to nose (how could they leave off the early 80s model with the 2.6
), the most notable difference was height.
When Dodge publicized the picture of the two Challengers nose to nose (how could they leave off the early 80s model with the 2.6
), the most notable difference was height.
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. I would love to see either the Ls7, LSA, or even Ls9 in the camaro, but neither's offered at the time and probably won't be for some time. The fact you're even comparing the mustangs S/c'd mod motor that's been out for a while now to that of a 2009 105k supercorvette is saying something. So now we've gone from saying the mod motor is just catching up to Ls2/Ls3 levels to elevating them to Ls9 levels?
The only reason i'm even defending the mod motor is because some of the comments posted about them have gotten ridiculous. I don't think they're better than the LsX motors, but they're still great motors and the S/c'd variants have been VERY impressive.
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Maybe when it's offered in the camaro or anything resembling a factory camaro, the comparison can be made. I would love to see either the Ls7, LSA, or even Ls9 in the camaro, but neither's offered at the time and probably won't be for some time.
The fact you're even comparing the mustangs S/c'd mod motor that's been out for a while now to that of a 2009 105k supercorvette is saying something. So now we've gone from saying the mod motor is just catching up to Ls2/Ls3 levels to elevating them to Ls9 levels?
The only reason i'm even defending the mod motor is because some of the comments posted about them have gotten ridiculous. I don't think they're better than the LsX motors, but they're still great motors and the S/c'd variants have been VERY impressive.
. I would love to see either the Ls7, LSA, or even Ls9 in the camaro, but neither's offered at the time and probably won't be for some time. The fact you're even comparing the mustangs S/c'd mod motor that's been out for a while now to that of a 2009 105k supercorvette is saying something. So now we've gone from saying the mod motor is just catching up to Ls2/Ls3 levels to elevating them to Ls9 levels?
The only reason i'm even defending the mod motor is because some of the comments posted about them have gotten ridiculous. I don't think they're better than the LsX motors, but they're still great motors and the S/c'd variants have been VERY impressive.
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If we're only comparing engines that have actually been offered by the factories in the Mustang & Camaro, then the Mustang wins, period. G.M. has so far to date NEVER offered a 500 hp engine in the Camaro. Something that Ford has had for the Mustang for 3 years now. Now the question is, will they? Other than bragging rights I can't see a reason why they should. The car would be so expensive that few could afford it, & those that could would more likely buy a Corvette!
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. You still aren't getting my point & I made no mention of the 550hp Ford GT. I mentioned the 500hp GT500 and the 540hp GT500KR which are both mustangs.My main point here isn't who has the biggest and baddest engine, i'm just trying to dispel this notion that the mustang and mod-motors are lacking, unimpressive, and behind in hp just because of one model (the 300hp GT which happens to be the base performance model/v8). Now if the Mustang GT was the only mustang around and the 3valve 4.6 Sohc the only v8 engine offered in the mustang, your statement would have been true, but it isn't. To say the modmotors are just now catching up to Ls2/Ls3 levels is far from true given that versions of the modmotor and mustangs have been making upwards of 400+ as far back as 6 or 7 model years.
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IIRC Bob Cosby's friend (BOSS 330) has a 5.4 that is well past 500hp N/A.
So its do-able with typical hot rodding tricks, but I suppose the question is why would you want to go to the trouble of building a high horsepower N/A mod motor (other than because you can or want to) when its so easy to slap a blower on and call it a day?