2010 Mustang 5.0 Specs
#17
Yes, trot out that tired line, but I dont remeber saying "if Ford made a 6.3 with 80hp/L it would make 506hp"
I suppose they could have gone the GM/DC route with a 6+ liter 400hp engine for the base V8, but I'm glad they didn't. At least if the engine materializes in the '11 GT it will be nice to hear people switch gears from "Ford needs to use FI to get 400hp to Ford needs .4 extra displacment and 32 valves to get 400hp".
I suppose they could have gone the GM/DC route with a 6+ liter 400hp engine for the base V8, but I'm glad they didn't. At least if the engine materializes in the '11 GT it will be nice to hear people switch gears from "Ford needs to use FI to get 400hp to Ford needs .4 extra displacment and 32 valves to get 400hp".
#18
Probably will be a pricey little engine (still cheaper proably than the FI 5.4) but its going in a 5 year old chassis that exceeded Fords own sales estimates so I'm sure they can use that to thier advantage in the price game.
#19
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Some people were very vocal about Camaro having to get IRS, but that's part of the reason why the Camaro is heavier. I'll be curious to see which way the market goes vis-a-vis simpler, lighter solid axle versus heavier, more sophisticated IRS.
Of course, there's a lot more to the equation, so we won't really know.
If Ford manages to bring this puppy in at 3550 pounds and 400hp, I'll be surprised (and very happy for Ford).
Of course, there's a lot more to the equation, so we won't really know.
If Ford manages to bring this puppy in at 3550 pounds and 400hp, I'll be surprised (and very happy for Ford).
#20
I just hope they realize that if they keep reducing weight by cheaping out on interior (which it looks like they're gonna) and no IRS (which it looks like they're gonna) that they will continue to be thought of as outclassed by cars like the Camaro, even if they are lighter and slightly quicker. I just doubt GM will let them have a speed advantage for long if it happens.
#21
Being that we're talking about a 5.0 liter engine versus a 6.2 liter engine both putting out the same horsepower, I'd say Ford did alot more than simply catch up to the LS2.... or LS3 for that matter.
At the moment there is no smaller lighter Mustang being developed at Ford.
No, it's the math that people who can actually count and understand as well as comprehend displacement (or at least understand that 5 is less than 6.2) use.
But that Hemi sized 4.6 IS actually lighter than an LS2..... and by association, most probably the LS3 as well.
Exactly.
The Mustang GT will run about $26K. The Camaro SS will run at $30K.
The Mustang GT will weigh about 3500 pounds, the Camaro SS 3900.
The Mustang GT will have 400 horsepower in 2011. The SS, 422.
You say GM won't let them have that speed advantage for long.
What? Do you actually think Ford is going to sit still?
I've said this at least a dozen times here in the past 6 months. Ford in general, and Team Mustang in particular isn't running the same program they ran 10 years ago. These guys are playing serious... and Ford's behind them this time!
No, it's the math that people who can actually count and understand as well as comprehend displacement (or at least understand that 5 is less than 6.2) use.
This is a joke. Right?
Haven't we covered this stuff many times over? Considering the fact that the 4.6L is physically as large / larger (and no more fuel efficient, if not less efficient) than the mighty 436 hp 6.2L LS3, the HP/L argument is pretty much worthless...
Haven't we covered this stuff many times over? Considering the fact that the 4.6L is physically as large / larger (and no more fuel efficient, if not less efficient) than the mighty 436 hp 6.2L LS3, the HP/L argument is pretty much worthless...
Exactly.
I just hope they realize that if they keep reducing weight by cheaping out on interior (which it looks like they're gonna) and no IRS (which it looks like they're gonna) that they will continue to be thought of as outclassed by cars like the Camaro, even if they are lighter and slightly quicker. I just doubt GM will let them have a speed advantage for long if it happens.
The Mustang GT will weigh about 3500 pounds, the Camaro SS 3900.
The Mustang GT will have 400 horsepower in 2011. The SS, 422.
You say GM won't let them have that speed advantage for long.
What? Do you actually think Ford is going to sit still?
I've said this at least a dozen times here in the past 6 months. Ford in general, and Team Mustang in particular isn't running the same program they ran 10 years ago. These guys are playing serious... and Ford's behind them this time!
#22
Meh, I'll believe it when when Ford actually publishes the specs for the engine and car. Regardless, for two similar cars with similar price tags (I highly doubt GM will be so stupid as to charge $4k more for the V8 ), I'll go for the one that looks better: the Camaro.
All that said, I sincerely hope that Ford is able to produce a kick *** 400hp, 3600 lbs. Mustang. Competition improves the breed, and that will only mean an even better Camaro down the road.
All that said, I sincerely hope that Ford is able to produce a kick *** 400hp, 3600 lbs. Mustang. Competition improves the breed, and that will only mean an even better Camaro down the road.
#23
I agree completely. Rumors of this 5.0 have been circulating for years now, and I believe the latest gossip before this thread was concerning Ford being content with the 4.6 until the EcoBoost motors arrive. It's all hearsay until something substantial is released.
#24
Well fine if its such a shining achievment to get 400 hp with less liters than the LSX motors, than how about making MORE than 400 hp with only 16 valves, 1 cam and worthless pushrods? Can you count and comprehend that guy?
Last edited by super83Z; 09-25-2008 at 06:51 AM.
#25
But it takes GM 6.2L to make 400+hp ...pfffff...
I kid, the LSx's are nice engines.
Ford is serious about the 5.0L.
Guy hit the nail on the head.
It has the weight card on its side, as well as 5.0L engine when it comes out.
It's also on the lighter side of what we'll see this engine capable of in its various configurations in the future (F150 torquey engine not withstanding)
I kid, the LSx's are nice engines.
Ford is serious about the 5.0L.
Guy hit the nail on the head.
It has the weight card on its side, as well as 5.0L engine when it comes out.
It's also on the lighter side of what we'll see this engine capable of in its various configurations in the future (F150 torquey engine not withstanding)
#27
No, it's the math that people who can actually count and understand as well as comprehend displacement (or at least understand that 5 is less than 6.2) use.
But that Hemi sized 4.6 IS actually lighter than an LS2..... and by association, most probably the LS3 as well.
The Mustang GT will run about $26K. The Camaro SS will run at $30K.
The Mustang GT will weigh about 3500 pounds, the Camaro SS 3900.
The Mustang GT will have 400 horsepower in 2011. The SS, 422.
One thing of note, though, despite the seeming hp/mass advantage of the Stang (in 2011!). It seems that whenever I see Saleen, Roush, or other tuner Mustangs, they never seem to be as quick as their claimed HP numbers would indicate. So we'll see how a 400 hp (from the factory, instead of a tuner's claim) Mustang does. I personally like both cars, so a fast Mustang is fine by me. As I've said many times, I personally don't view Ford as the enemy anymore. Toyota is the enemy.
You say GM won't let them have that speed advantage for long.
What? Do you actually think Ford is going to sit still?
What? Do you actually think Ford is going to sit still?
I've said this at least a dozen times here in the past 6 months. Ford in general, and Team Mustang in particular isn't running the same program they ran 10 years ago. These guys are playing serious... and Ford's behind them this time!
#28
I know someone working on the 5.0 Ford engine. It does exist and it is comming. 400hp, 32 valves, 7000 redline. My Bullitt has 3.73 gears with 315hp and a 5 speed. It handles great but makes me think its underpowered and could use another gear. I have a feeling the 2011 Mustang GT is going to be incredible.
#29
Vaporware till I see it.
Ford has promised a lot of magical powertrains, and has yet to show it.
400hp out of a 5.0 engine, 11:1 compression (byebye regular octane) aint gunna happen without some serious increase in the price of the car.
And even if this is true, the engine lacks the torque that the Camaro and Challenger will have plenty of.
Ford has promised a lot of magical powertrains, and has yet to show it.
400hp out of a 5.0 engine, 11:1 compression (byebye regular octane) aint gunna happen without some serious increase in the price of the car.
And even if this is true, the engine lacks the torque that the Camaro and Challenger will have plenty of.
Last edited by My Red 93Z-28; 09-25-2008 at 02:45 PM.