I agree. The new Tahoe has tougher, taughter lines. The spartan interior is gone, the powertrains are nicely improved, along with braking, handling and rigidity. That's what truck and large SUV buyers look for.

Not sure I really understand where you're coming from. The F-series interior had a "WOW" factor mainly because it was the first pickup truck interior to use more car-like materials and design. I give credit for Ford raising the bar in truck interiors but I don't see where they are still far ahead of the game. The 900's should use similar quality materials and both interiors are just as pleasing to the eye.

 

Nope. I loved the HHR from day one and still do. As for Impala, I saw a new LT on the road today and I like it even more than before.

 

My Z got 27 mpg on a tank in Georgia on the way to Florida doing 80+, and my dad's Caddy ETC gets 29 mpg on road trips pretty regularly.

Our Crown Vics get around 15mpg, for the guys who aren't sitting around idleing all the time. Our Special Service Tahoe gets about 13mpg.

 

Thanks for supporting my point. I've heard this refrain countless times in recent times, mostly by folks who don't have a clue what it means to have GTO on the fender in the first place. The debate has been round and round countless times, with little or no effect on those complaining. The new GTO is as true to the formula as it has ever been. In some ways, it improves on it. It's the quickest, most powerful and most agile GTO ever made, yet I got mine new for less than the sticker of a non-WS6 02 Trans Am. It's styling is subtle like the Tempest of decades ago, and it takes a focused look to see the muscle hiding in its sleek body.
Another example, and thanks again for making my point. What difference is it really if the GTO's production is ending in 06? It matters not to me, even if there is no replacement thereafter. I'm quite happy with mine... it's here now and I'm enjoying a warm Michigan fall with it, instead of patching up the 95 Formula I had. Am I supposed to wring my hands that I might not be able to get one in 08? Again I'm unaffected. Because I have faith. Faith that judging from history, the company that brought us the 1970 GTO... the IROC-Z Camaro... The Buick GNX... the LT1 and LS1 Fbodies... the C5 and C6... the CTS-V and yes the new GTO... will not let us down in the future either. Faith - maybe you should try it sometime.
Incorrect. My dictionary calls whining "To complain or protest in a childish fashion." It's one thing to make constructive criticisms about GM vehicles. I've no issue with that. But so many times, here and via other sources, I see the "nattering nay-bobs of negativism" chime in about how GM is doomed, the GTO has a dim future, it's not true to its roots ( ), it has no hood scoops, no wait! now it has them but everyone hates them, and so on...

Here, the refrain is... "drat. Doggone Tahoe looks like a FORD". What's that got to do with anything? How about its potential for satisfying its main market, SUV? I swear some of the posters here remind me of Eeyore. Here's a site for you folks: http://www.flatoutblind.org/eeyore/ er, um sorry

 

I swear, I don't even know what the heck your point is....and with the rolleyes smiley, no less.

GTO...unfortunately...does have a dim future. To even speak those factual words....is...erm...in your opinion - whining?!? Because that's what you are saying.

And since you feel most of us folks don't have a clue as to what a GTO emblem on the fender means....enlighten us......please!

I'm not faulting GM for importing the Monaro as the GTO, (who knows, I still may end up buying one),.......but tell me how a limited production, somewhat pricey, 2+2, GT is "as true to GTO's formula as it has ever been". Which formula is that?

 

Charlie, my comment was more to those who are dismissing or condemming the new Tahoe because of what they think they see in pictures....not real sure how the GTO got drug into this morass.

The new Tahoe is the BEST Tahoe ever built and is the hope of GM to help rescue itself....along with all the 900's.

We all know the initially 50% of the people will hate it and then after a few months only 20-30% of those still hold that opinion.

I'm flat telling everyone that IF Detroit is filled with whiners and bitchers because someone can't accept change or sees too much or not enough Camaro in it.....the car will be stillborn.

No, I don't expect everyone to accept it as the second coming, but at least approach it with an open mind.............and try to come up with an intelligent thought beyond the tired, worn out old..."it looks like a ___________".......try and come up with an original thought and / or constructive criticism.

 

Fair enough, Doug.

 

Nice job Doug. You know there will be whiners here the second after the concept's pictures are posted here...yeah it needs to instantly be recognizable as a Chevrolet Camaro, and I'm certainly going to assume it will be...and outside of that we'll need constructive criticism of the car, not "throw the whole thing out and start over again"....

 

I'm amazed you don't comprehend. I guess some here are so accustomed to the follow-the-negativity pack they can't see the forest for the trees. I suppose I should not be surprised.
Yes. It's whining precisely BECAUSE you do NOT "know it for a fact". The only actual "fact" here is the knowledge that GM cannot produce the current GTO after 9/1/06 due to crash laws. It doesn't prohibit GM dealers from selling them well into CY07 (or beyond). Doesn't prevent LSx GTO owners from enjoying, enhancing and driving the living stink out of them for years to come. (I imagine according to your standards, the LS1 WS6 Trans Am has a dim future too ) And nothing prevents GM from making another GTO with or without help from Holden either for that matter (wait, except maybe a persistent chorus of nattering naysayers).
The GTO has always been an affordable coupe with plenty of room for at least four people, based off a mildly styled corporate sibling. The formula includes stuffing it with a honking V8 and adding on a few styling cues like special wheels/wheel covers and badges. That's it! Pretty simple really. And simple works. And for those claiming it's not affordable, baloney. That is a LOT of performance for a street price south of $30k. Again, true to the GTO formula!
I agree with Doug. The new Tahoe will be a winner, just wait and see.

 

You've lost me again there, Big. I was referring to what you said about my comments about the GTO's future. Not some follow-the-negativity pack plot.

What if I did know it for a fact? GTO in it's current "formula" requires a host car to piggyback on - unlike it's traditional formula, (which was BTW - a very affordable performance/appearance package on a volume Pontiac mid size car family). The Chevy coupe will no longer be that host. Nor will the V-car Monaro. And as much as Holden would want a new Monaro NOW, they've got other short term problems to worry about. IF we see another GTO, it will be well into the next decade....trust me. Sad but true...and hardly whining.
Ehhh, but who knows maybe I'm wrong........

What that has to do with a future GTO....I simply have no idea.

The new Tahoe will be the best Tahoe ever. But as Bob Lutz just said in an interview......that market is no longer growing. That guy is such a whiner!

 

There's no "plot" or conspiracy... it's just a lot of random hot gas
... but it is definitely negative.
Wrong indeed. Who suddenly promoted you to spokesman for GM? Why am I supposed to believe you, unless you can somehow prove you are actually a VP at GM? And even if you were... I take all GTO-related announcements at less than face value today. Why just a few months ago, GM stated Zeta-NA was postponed indefinitely, if not dead. Now, it seems to be back on the burner. So your guess is as good as mine. And I believe GM will rush to get back into a game it has done so well, for so many decades - muscle coupes
Rationalize all you want. Tell us about all your secret "sources". But here's what I hear: (/Eeyore voice on) "Oooh... GM is struggling... the GTO's future is so dim... Holden's got problems to worry about... ohhh bother... GTO has no future host, what WILL they do? Ohh! The GTO is limited production, somewhat pricey. And it's not true to the good old GTO's of yore, oohhh bother." (/Eeyore voice mercifully now off)
You said the "future of the GTO" is dim, not the "future possibilities of any more GTO's to be designed and produced". Big difference, because in the real world cars stick around for a long time after their manufacture. If a car is desired in its own right, due to power, styling, functionality and the like, then the owners take care of it and keep it usable. There are still quite a few 1970 Judge GTO's in the hands of collectors, and their future is bright. Decades from now, I expect the same may be true of my 05 - so sunny days are ahead for it and many other LSx GTO owners

 

I can understand where guys are getting the "Ford Tahoe" feeling from...

The back windows give it the explorer look

The sloped end of the hood says excursion

and its got a little chevy uplander a-pillar to it for the minivan look

 

JG/70Z - I suppose if I walked around with a big cardboard tube, walked up to different trucks in a parking lot, and tried to discern makes and models from each other by looking at their side mirrors, I'd have trouble distinguishing them too. But like your examples, there's a fallacy in that. People rarely - if ever - look at just one part of a vehicle. Their eyes sweep over the whole thing.

And are you serious about those two front ends looking similar? Really? Because they look nothing alike to me.

Uh - oh! This truck has a curved front hood edge, and it looks like a Ford too! Not...

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/1...4/022729-E.jpg

 

Do you want bigger pictures? It's the same thing, those just get the point across better. It's hardly distinguishing side mirrors. These are entire sections of the body, plus they're just my personal opinon. People always have different opinions on vehicle looks.

I took a good look at the tahoe and picked what parts I thought reminded me of other vehicles. Like people mentioned, it looks a little ford-ish. You gotta admit that rear window area reeks of explorer.

Where did I say the frontends looked similar? The hood is far from an entire frontend. Maybe I should've simplified the description for you. "The sloped end of the hood across the top of the headlights of the tahoe is similar to that of the excursion." Happy?

As you can see in the pic you've posted it doesn't look similar at all because the healights are set more to the side of the hood, and not underneath.

If you don't think they look similar, like I said, everyone has an opinion.

 

Now you're getting the picture.

Anyway, I know you can't be serious and are just having some fun being argumentative...it's been kinda slow around here lately.

So to get Zane's thread back on track......what are we thinking regarding Silverado SS?