Actually, it was a wash till Camaro's aerodynamic advantage and longer legs took over. The quad cammer Stang had to be revved to get the torque, while the LT1 made it's torque barely off idle.

It was the "305" horse (yeah, right) Camaro that cleanly whipped the 305 horse Cobra.

 

Getting back to the truck, am I the only one who notices that the front end looks like it was designed separate from the rest of the vehicle? Maybe it's just the pictures and an illusion, but covering up the hood & the grille and looking at the body, then covering the body and looking at just the front end looks like 2 different design studios were forced together.

I really like the interior. I looks very comfortable & familiar. However, it is by no means a "WOW interior like Ford's F series was when it 1st came out.

It's not that GM's interior is bad or anything. I think it looks good. But J. Mays' forte seems to be interiors, and he seems to have pushed his stylists more than GM's interior stylists were pushed. It's almost as if GM focused so much on improving the quality of their truck interior that they forgot about being innovative in design.

Much like the Buick LeCrosse, the Tahoe looks really good inside & out, but the guys across the street have flashier offerings and is going to get all the press.


Outside of the wheel arches, the Expedition has no body creases, character lines, or sheetmetal bends.

I see what he's talking about in that it resembles the Expedition in that the Tahoe (which used to have lines or creases, or both) now has relatively plain side metal... in effect, a Expedition with a Trailblazer front end.

I'm sure the effect is different in person, but in pictures with the nose hidden, it could be passed off as the next Expedition.

That would be nice.

Just remember, when that lease is up.......

 

Exactly what I was talking about. Even the tailend, hatch, lights, etc. has a Ford feel to it.

 

welp............there will be one live-in-person at the Texas State Fair.....and another at the Anaheim show during public days........

...........perhaps -- once again -- you should wait and see it in person before passing judgement.

(as I recall, just about everyone on this board declared the HHR a flop prior to actually seeing one.............Impala also............)


but hey.......I'm prejudiced...........

 

you are. it doesn't stop you from being right on this though.

 

Baloney. Across what street? At Dodge, where the basic Kenworth-tall grille hasn't really changed in any major way since 1994? (Should I even bother to mention the utterly unattractive fenders on the new Durango?) At Nissan, with the comically strange front end on the Armada? The Ford, whose doors and quarters are flat enough to qualify for eventual salvage use as picnic tables?

Besides - in the full-size SUV arena, (and this is where your car-enthusiast bias is again clouding your judgment BTW), it's not flashy styling that matters most to these buyers. It's the overall functionality, value, quality and other aspects along those lines. I believe the new Tahoe's styling is perfectly on the mark for its target market. I also still maintain that anyone claiming it looks like a Ford is merely displaying their ignorance for all to see. Because such folk have no historical perspective on Chevy trucks, such as the previous models I already mentioned, nor the Cheyenne concept truck.

 

Well, so far I think I'm batting 1.000.... I said HHR would be a home run, and I said I thought Impala was quite nice (my only personal comment was I wasn't super crazy about the lower grille shape... kind of a "puckered smile" look, IMO) and both of those cars have been very well received.

The 06 Impala is the king of the "see it before you judge it" cars.... looks so much better in person than in pictures. The subtle character liones don't come through in 2 dimensions in print.

That said, I think the Tahoe looks excellent..... I honestly don't see a whole lot I would change. My biggest complaint (not really a complain, more of a comment, really) would be that the silhouette looks a bit too much like the outgong model, but then again, how much different can an SUV look from the side without getting goofy like the Armada?

I'll also agree with the 3rd row seating comments, though... fold flat would have been nice if it could have been done.

 

Ya know...with these kinds of naysayers......heaven forbid in January all Lutz hears are whiners and bitchers....the Camaro will be stillborn....

 

AMEN to that. It's a wonder GM still bothers with affordable performance cars at all, judging from the deafening whine

 

I'm not quite sure of what your implication is.

What deafening whine? And which affordable performance cars are people whining about?

 

To BDnF, anything negative about anything GM is whining - thus the problem (from his perspective). Of course, being a car enthusiast, my clouded judgement is irrelavent, thus I digress.

Personally, I think the best thing about the new SUVs is the *reported* increase in gas mileage.

 

If it's an awesome concept - which it damn well better be - people will go crazy for it. If it's not -which would be really, really pathetic - people won't.

I think Lutz has a better appreciation for the unvarnished truth than you might give him credit for.

 

By way of example, three letters for you. G - T - O

 

Wow, I'd say you have a very sensitive whine-o-meter. I like the GTO. I just wish it were truer to it's roots.

But at this point it doesn't matter what I think or you think. The GTO's future looks pretty dim.

 

I know what you are saying, HP comes from torque, there must be more high end torque in the 4.8L to be faster than an old 5.7L ie at 5k rpms the 4.8L may be making 50 more hp and 60 more ft lbs. Thats gonna be fun to run the **** of of the 4.8l in order to make speed. Kinda offsets the purpose of saving gas with less cubes unless you are sitting in city traffic. So is the 900 gonna be 250 more lbs than the 800? The C/K was 250lbs less than the 800. It just starts sounding shady if you add 500lbs and chop a liter off the motor and expect any increase real increase in performance. And drop the 4 speed allready damn. Its called obsolete.

I swear I though the LT1 was faster than the four cam. I know it wasn't alot faster but still. Can I get some LT1 props?