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Old Jan 27, 2005 | 08:20 AM
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Re: 07' Cobra is suppose to take out the new Z06'!

Originally Posted by 90 Z28SS
I do not think the Z06 will see the GT's 212 mph though . At mid 11's@127mph chevy claims for the Z06 is faster than any 1/4 test Ive seen personally for the GT . Yeah yeah , I know the world doesnt evolve around the 1/4 mile ....its all I really care I really care about though
Ford GT #'s are all over the place, but mostly in the mid to high 11 sec range (11.6-11.7@124-128mph). The GT also seems to go faster with every new test. Fastest time to date was the most recent GT test in a MT issue from a couple of months back where the GT ran against a Carrerra GT and an Enzo. The Ford GT ran 11.2@131.2mph in that test . It was 1 tenth of a sec and 1mph slower than the lighter and more powerful Enzo and CGT. Crazy. I couldn't help but think that this car is severely underrated with Ford giving the production version more juice than indicated on the spec-sheet or some ringer model.

Since smackkk brought up the topic of the Shleby GR-1 (the shelby Cobra concept won't be built), i've read somewhere that the production version won't be packing the 605hp 6.4L v10 in the concept car. I've read somewhere that it might be packing a 600+hp 7.0L (427ci) "Hurricane" v8 (based off the 6.2L Hurricane). It would have been nice if they had offered this 600+hp 427ci v8 in the Ford-GT given the GT's history with the 427ci v8.
Old Jan 27, 2005 | 08:24 AM
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Re: 07' Cobra is suppose to take out the new Z06'!

Originally Posted by Snorman
Is it you? Guess not...because they're wrong.
I just think it's funny how these threads bring out the insiders who already know what future vehicles hold.

FYI...three months ago a friend of mine, who works for Ford and interacts with Ford and SVT engineers, told me the '07 would be a blown 5.4 liter, 3-valve (based on the now defunct next gen-L) making a "rated 450hp" with a solid axle. I thought he was crazy.

In two months, we'll find out if he was.
S.
I may be wrong here, but I remember reading that SVT is no more. Could that mean that the aforementioned car is a no go now? When the Mustang Cobra comes back in '07, it could be a Shelby Cobra. Putting Caroll Shelby's name in front of anything is going to make the price skyrocket with market adjustment, at least for a while. As of right now, I don't think anyone CARES about the Ford GT. Z06 and the Ferrari 430 are getting all the attention (like in Autoweek). Even the new (doesn't look it) Viper has been forgotten. Perhaps the regular man's hi-po stang from here out will be the Mach 1, and the Cobra will be strictly a magazine, collector, or very well to do car enthusiast's ride?

At least it's interesting.
Old Jan 27, 2005 | 08:55 AM
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Re: 07' Cobra is suppose to take out the new Z06'!

Here's a couple of comments on the MT story.

First, I think there are afew inaccuracies in the story.
Second, the next SVT Mustang Cobra......will be called SVT Mustang Cobra, and this comes directly from a recent phone conversation I've had with SVT. You'd think MT might take the 4 minutes to do the same research. I guess not.

Also, the Cobra motor will probably be based on the GT motor....and not be identical. I expect 3V heads instead of the GT's 4V, and a conventional oiling system vs the GT's dry sump, for example.....in addition to other changes. Like Snorman says....we'll know for sure in a couple of months.

If the Cobra does in fact come with a live rear axle, drag racers will rejoice, but I have a prediction: The Z51 C6...or even the base C6 for that matter, will destroy the higher powered Mustang on a road course.
Old Jan 27, 2005 | 08:57 AM
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Re: 07' Cobra is suppose to take out the new Z06'!

Motor Trend gets everything wrong. Don't expect to see this 550HP Mustang anytime soon.
Old Jan 27, 2005 | 12:06 PM
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Re: 07' Cobra is suppose to take out the new Z06'!

Originally Posted by Geoff Chadwick
2)We know how GM is about increasing HP numbers over the years now. With Vette it seems every model year (or two) it gains 10-20hp.
Huh? 1997 C5 Corvette debuts with 345 HP. 2004 C5 Corvette production ends with 350 HP. A 5 HP increase over 8 years.
Old Jan 27, 2005 | 12:27 PM
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Re: 07' Cobra is suppose to take out the new Z06'!

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Huh? 1997 C5 Corvette debuts with 345 HP. 2004 C5 Corvette production ends with 350 HP. A 5 HP increase over 8 years.
1997 = 345hp
2001 = 350HP
2001 = 385hp
2002 = 405hp
Old Jan 27, 2005 | 12:36 PM
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1997 = 345hp
2001 = 350HP
2001 = 385hp
2002 = 405hp
Well, yeah if you want to throw in the special Z06. We were talking about base HP, at least I think he was, he made it sound like we should expect the LS2 in the base Corvette to have 450 HP in a couple of years.....
Old Jan 27, 2005 | 01:03 PM
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If the Cobra does in fact come with a live rear axle, drag racers will rejoice, but I have a prediction: The Z51 C6...or even the base C6 for that matter, will destroy the higher powered Mustang on a road course.
I don't think it'll matter...IRS or Live....base non-Z51 c6 should destroy an 07 Cobra on a road course due to the simple fact that the c6 is a true sports car. Now a purpose built handler like the Cobra-R on the other hand....

Like the rumors indicate, there should be 2 options....live axle for the drag racers and IRS for the track guy.
Old Jan 27, 2005 | 01:18 PM
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Re: 07' Cobra is suppose to take out the new Z06'!

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I do expect that..once they put a real cam in there.
Hows about if they throw the 03+ LS6 cam in the LS2 instead of the 01 LS6 cam? Also anyone know the specs on the LS7 cam?
Old Jan 27, 2005 | 01:40 PM
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2005- 400hp
2004- 350hp
2003- 350hp
2002- 350hp
2001- 350hp
2000- 345hp
1999- 345hp
1998- 345hp
1997- 340hp
1996- 300hp
1995- 300hp
1994- 300hp
1993- 300hp
1992- 300hp
1991- 245hp
1990- 240hp

Every few years it jumps with the new engine. However with the LS2 it's pretty obvious they undercut the engine a little to keep Z06 owners from complaining too much, and let the still new Z06s get sold without having to drop the price a LOT. I know around here when the 05's got announced with 400hp, the price on the Z06's fell a few grand overnight.

Now, if the LS2 is actually a 420hp engine, that means over the next 2-3 years it'll go up those 20hp in "factory rating", allowing it to grow each year slightly and keep on top of the ball game. By 2007 or 2008 I bet the rating will be at 430-440hp.
Old Jan 27, 2005 | 02:23 PM
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Re: 07' Cobra is suppose to take out the new Z06'!

Originally Posted by 91_z28_4me
Hows about if they throw the 03+ LS6 cam in the LS2 instead of the 01 LS6 cam? Also anyone know the specs on the LS7 cam?
I expect that cam by MY 2007, Just in time to keep the old C5 Z06 owners happy and lay the smack down on the new Mustang Cobra. All while at the same time raising the "vette rule" bar for the next Camaro to have its LS2 rated at 400HP.
Old Jan 27, 2005 | 07:07 PM
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Re: 07' Cobra is suppose to take out the new Z06'!

Interesting reading in this thread!

I think it's funny now how many comparisons there are on the web and the rags putting the Mustang and Corvette against each other.

10 years ago, whodathunkit?

Hunkins - If you are still lurking around here, I have to give you a big ol'
You called it back in 2001 and nobody believed you dude.
Old Jan 27, 2005 | 10:01 PM
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Does anybody think Ford is seriously going after the Z06 with this thing? I don't. I think they will go as far as logic and general pricing of the Cobra will allow and that's a reworked supercharged 3 valve 5.4 liter V8 good for maybe high 400s from the factory but that's about it. But when you think about it if they DID do that and built it to the hills the same way the current Cobra is and priced it in the mid 30s that would be more than enough. It would be enough to jump on the base C6 vette in a straight line like the current Cobra does to the C5, it would be enough to fend off just about anything Dodge or Chevy would do in their top of the line pony cars and it would be an aftermarket dream just like the 03-04. I think that would more closely fit what a Mustang is in the first place. Good to great performance bone stock and modibility out the tailpipe.
Let the GR-1 take on the Z06 and the Vipers of the world. I mean that sounded like what the plan was to begin with when they announced the Ford GT would make way to another(possibly cheaper) sports car in the future.
Old Jan 27, 2005 | 10:20 PM
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Re: 07' Cobra is suppose to take out the new Z06'!

Originally Posted by ProudPony
Interesting reading in this thread!

I think it's funny now how many comparisons there are on the web and the rags putting the Mustang and Corvette against each other.

10 years ago, whodathunkit?

Hunkins - If you are still lurking around here, I have to give you a big ol'
You called it back in 2001 and nobody believed you dude.
For a couple more painfully long years anyways , hehe
Old Jan 28, 2005 | 08:40 AM
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Re: 07' Cobra is suppose to take out the new Z06'!

If the 2007 Cobra is priced around the same as the current Cobra I would definately jump ship.

Chevy isn't going to produce anything in that price range that will compete with it.



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