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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 07:33 PM
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Re: 07' Cobra is suppose to take out the new Z06'!

I think some of you are confusing the Shelby Cobra with the SVT Cobra..
Old Jan 26, 2005 | 07:39 PM
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Re: 07' Cobra is suppose to take out the new Z06'!

Originally Posted by Snorman
Why not?
I'm sure there are bound to be "insiders" and "experts" out there who will profess to already know what the next Cobra will be. And I'm pretty sure about 99% of them don't...

...We'll know in about two months, and either the "insiders" and "experts" will be right, or they'll be wrong.
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Brilliant observation. Which percentage of insiders and experts do you think Motortrend is getting their info from then?
Old Jan 26, 2005 | 07:44 PM
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No way, no how. The Mustang Cobra and c6 z06 are two completely different beasts. And as good as the Cobra is, it will take nothing short of a miracle for it to outperform or come close to the z06 in the handling and braking department. The only area were a Cobra might come close (if it is packing 550hp GT engine which is rumored to be underrated) is the acceleration deparment, and that'd be it.

It'll be tough for it to even match the base c6 in all-around performance let alone c6 z06.

If we are to see a c6 z06 competitor in the Mustang camp, it'll be a big-dollar, limited production, purpose-built car like the Cobra R.
Old Jan 26, 2005 | 07:47 PM
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Important FACTS.

1) Ford GT create engines are $45,000
2) Z06 C6 will be 500lbs. lighter than the Mustang SVT (cobra)
Old Jan 26, 2005 | 07:51 PM
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Re: 07' Cobra is suppose to take out the new Z06'!

Originally Posted by DrewSG
I think some of you are confusing the Shelby Cobra with the SVT Cobra..

Exactly
Old Jan 26, 2005 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 95 Z/28 LT1
Brilliant observation. Which percentage of insiders and experts do you think Motortrend is getting their info from then?
Is it you? Guess not...because they're wrong.
I just think it's funny how these threads bring out the insiders who already know what future vehicles hold.

FYI...three months ago a friend of mine, who works for Ford and interacts with Ford and SVT engineers, told me the '07 would be a blown 5.4 liter, 3-valve (based on the now defunct next gen-L) making a "rated 450hp" with a solid axle. I thought he was crazy.

In two months, we'll find out if he was.
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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 08:02 PM
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Re: 07' Cobra is suppose to take out the new Z06'!

Check some Ford GT performace figures then compare to Chevy's claims for the 06 Z06 ( its all we got to go at the moment ) The new Z06 is already gonna give the GT one hell of a run for its money . I do not think the Z06 will see the GT's 212 mph though . At mid 11's@127mph chevy claims for the Z06 is faster than any 1/4 test Ive seen personally for the GT . Yeah yeah , I know the world doesnt evolve around the 1/4 mile ....its all I really care I really care about though

Without a doubt , the new Cobra will most likely be a very impressive car . But if you think Ford is gonna release a 550 hp cobra to play with $70-150K
factory hot rods and price it below $50K , some of ya need to put down the crack pipe
Old Jan 26, 2005 | 08:05 PM
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Re: 07' Cobra is suppose to take out the new Z06'!

Originally Posted by Snorman
Is it you? Guess not...because they're wrong.
I just think it's funny how these threads bring out the insiders who already know what future vehicles hold.

FYI...three months ago a friend of mine, who works for Ford and interacts with Ford and SVT engineers, told me the '07 would be a blown 5.4 liter, 3-valve (based on the now defunct next gen-L) making a "rated 450hp" with a solid axle. I thought he was crazy.

In two months, we'll find out if he was.
S.
That would be MUCH more believable . Also would corrolate with alot rumors about a choice of rear axles between a solid and IRS .
Old Jan 26, 2005 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 90 Z28SS
Check some Ford GT performace figures then compare to Chevy's claims for the 06 Z06 ( its all we got to go at the moment ) The new Z06 is already gonna give the GT one hell of a run for its money . I do not think the Z06 will see the GT's 212 mph though . At mid 11's@127mph chevy claims for the Z06 is faster than any 1/4 test Ive seen personally for the GT . Yeah yeah , I know the world doesnt evolve around the 1/4 mile ....its all I really care I really care about though

Without a doubt , the new Cobra will most likely be a very impressive car . But if you think Ford is gonna release a 550 hp cobra to play with $70-150K
factory hot rods and price it below $50K , some of ya need to put down the crack pipe
only reason it won't see 212 is because of the gearing
if they geared it differently, it might not accelerate quite as fast, but yea, it could hit 212
Old Jan 26, 2005 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 90 Z28SS
Check some Ford GT performace figures then compare to Chevy's claims for the 06 Z06 ( its all we got to go at the moment ) The new Z06 is already gonna give the GT one hell of a run for its money . I do not think the Z06 will see the GT's 212 mph though . At mid 11's@127mph chevy claims for the Z06 is faster than any 1/4 test Ive seen personally for the GT . Yeah yeah , I know the world doesnt evolve around the 1/4 mile ....its all I really care I really care about though
Pffft...let's be honest. I don't car how much power they put in the car in the article, I can't imagine any scenario in which it'll have similar all-around performance as a C6 Z06 with the packaging of a Mustang. SVT might be able to put a 550hp engine in it, and keep up in a straight line (for awhile, at least)...but in any other aspects, nope.
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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 08:34 PM
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Re: 07' Cobra is suppose to take out the new Z06'!

I hope the Bluedevil comes out
Old Jan 27, 2005 | 07:27 AM
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Re: 07' Cobra is suppose to take out the new Z06'!

If Ford wants to stick a 500hp engine in there, let them. SVT can try it all they want.

Some thoughts::

1)The first model year Z06 is 500lb lighter. In the next 2 years they might drop more weight, as well as upgrade to ceramic brakes (which werent used because of a $4000 increase in cost of the car). So that difference might be even more impressive.

2)We know how GM is about increasing HP numbers over the years now. With Vette it seems every model year (or two) it gains 10-20hp. No doubt in my mind by the time a 500hp Mustang comes out, the Z06 will be rated 520-530hp. Power advantage will be likely.

3)The LS2 was rated 400hp. I think dynos are starting to show the motor is really 420-430hp. That might mean that the LS7, in order to get that round 500hp number lost a few hp in there to make a better number (500hp as opposed to like 517hp... doesnt look or sound as good)

4)Technically if #2 were true, then they could put a low-rated LS7 into a 2007MY Camaro (Insert Special Edition Name here). Most likely it would not have as free-flowing an exhaust system and then a slightly de-tuned engine. A 500hp Camaro could easily be had, espicially if we start to see the LS7 in other cars (like one of the V series) next to a 530hp or 540hp Z06.

5)I wonder what the LS7 does under boost? I hope in the next year or year and a half the companies like Procharger and Vortech start putting together kits. I dont know how well it'll do with that really high CR though...
Old Jan 27, 2005 | 07:47 AM
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The LS7 will always be the winner because it has more potential. If they put a detuned LS7 in a limited Camaro it would be COPO ZL1 (aluminum 427 that truely has around 500HP and similar TQ) all over again almost exactly, more than 40 years later. I've always been for doing this. It would obviously be expensive though, just as the originals were. What a great image and excitement it would create though.

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Old Jan 27, 2005 | 07:51 AM
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Re: 07' Cobra is suppose to take out the new Z06'!

I think the Shelby Cobra is suppose to be the replacement for the GT. Seems I read the GT was gonna be made for only a few model years.
Old Jan 27, 2005 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by smackkk
I think the Shelby Cobra is suppose to be the replacement for the GT. Seems I read the GT was gonna be made for only a few model years.
GT was a 3 year thing '05-'07 , I guess the GR-1 concept will be built next.

It takes Ford 10 years to replace it's bread and butter Sedan Tuarus, Windstar replacement was half asses, Lincoln has only two cars that are getting old fast, The current Ranger has been around since 1993, but they can pump out the super cars



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