Well, alrighty then!

Humorous reading

Steve

 

Haha, this is the best part... "i got lucking in how i met him. i am good friends with the owner of lakewood muffler and brake, who knew ray. "

Whew, that boys got some serious connections. Referral from a muffler shop. I do feel sorry for the guy though, he thinks he found quite the engine builder. Sad to see him spend the kind of money he's getting ready to spend for something that'll make as little power as it'll make.


Later
Chuck

 

Ok,
I have a few things to say.

--- First, if you think the heads flow 280, you need to check the flow bench at the school, it has been known to read low. I personally ported them and I know they work.
--- Secondly, if you really think the extra 20-30 CFM from some porting on an engine of that power level allready is going to make another 100 or so HP you really need to do some more studying, I can guarantee you, the problem lies somewhere else in the engine.
--- Third, I seem to remember telling you the intake mani will not support that kind of power without heavy modification and we merely did a nice clean up, your plenum volume and runner length are FAR from Ideal for that engine.
--- Lastly, I have another set of heads identical to yours that made the same power you did with a hydraulic roller and only 230/244 @.050 duration, spinning the engine to 6500 RPM. He watches this site and if you need to contact him to verify it, His name is Bob Smith and he will stand behind my statements with no problem at all. I think you need to re think your combination as you are far off what that set of heads is capable of!!

If you want us to put together the bottom end so it works properly let me know!




Bryan Wolter
Pres. (RPPE Inc.)

 

Build me a shortblock that'll work eih? So now it's getting personal. I see how it is. Well if you want I can get Erik, Casey Snieder (the one doing the heads), and Greg Good (I'm sure you remember Greg) all on here telling you what a nice job you guys did on the heads.

Strange how this is all working out. You think it's my short block and intake, I think it's the heads. Funny how motors generally make around 2hp per cfm... maybe a little under for a normal motor, or a little more for a real nice one (aka, high compression, roller bearing cam, etc)... Well since these heads supposedly flowed 335 hp I thought I would at least make, say, 620 hp or so. You can emagine the disbelief when the motor only made 556 hp but that's ok, because at that point we only believed the heads to flow 310 cfm. But even at 310 cfm the motor should've made right around 600 or more. That is when we realized the flowbench WAS miscalibrated. haha, funny thing. After that we found the heads only flowed 287... Hmm, 287 cfm, 556 hp... 1.93 hp per cfm. Could this really be? Or should I be forced to believe it is the shortblock I built, since I am obviously incapable of building a quality motor.


As for the intake, I had a friend who was working for the school at the time port the intake since we realized it was only "mearly cleaned up". It actually turned out quite nice. Got the taper in the runners correct and everything.

As for Bob Smith, I'd rather not get him involved unless it's voluntary, as he is a personal friend of mine.

Lastly, I don't believe I said I was planning to GAIN 100 hp? No, I made 556 hp and I remember being told I would make hp in the mid 600's. That might be where you got the 100 hp part from. I did not say I would make that with the heads reported. I hope to make a measly 600-630 hp maybe if I'm lucky.

Sorry to be so harsh, but I remember trying to contact you a couple times and never getting a return call. And something about dirty faces at the SAM PRI dinner? lol I realize my post is rude, especially since directed to a site sponser, so upon moderator request I am willing to delete.


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Chuck

 

Chuck,
I have no idea what you look like, so at the PRI dinner I had no way of knowing who you were. I am not the one getting personal here but I know what my heads flow, AND I know what my bottom end in Bob's car makes. I simply stated the facts. Before you go rambling off you need to actually think. The HP per CFM thing is a ROUGH Idea at best and if you like come bring me your heads in person and we will flow them together. I am not making up any numbers nor am I trying to bad mouth anyone (I'll leave that to you) I am trying to keep my good reputation that I have been working VERY hard to keep spotless, Intact. The comment about the bottom end was not a smartass remark, it was an offer, common sence dictates, if my bottom end made over 500 with the relatively small HYDRAULIC cam, 11.5:1 compression, mufflers, press bent 2.5 inch full exhaust, headers designed to fit a vehicle not a dyno, and PUMP gas. Don't you think it would do MUCH better with all YOUR upgrades going for it?
Your heads were ported at the exact same time and are literally identical to these. I promise you there is much more in that engine whether you believe me or not.

Bryan Wolter
Pres. RPPE Inc.

 

well, just to keep my slate clean, i didn't mean me at PRI. It was just kind of an inside joke because Erik said Joe was giving him dirty looks, but I think he was just fooling around.

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Chuck

 

Bryan,

This is Erik Koenig from the school. Chuck actually told me about these heads in orientation and I was very surprised to say the least! I told him I hadn't seen a 45 degree type steel alloy seat head with valves that small flow that much on ANY 23 degree SBC head (well maybe a -10 Brodix RR). So he brought them in to show people. I looked down one port and could see how small they were over the short turn and then we pulled a valve and the venturi was very small too, maybe 1.800 if I remember right. At that pont I said that there was no way they flowed any 330 at least on a regular SF600 bench at 28 inches. Chuck said that you guys really knew your stuff and that the heads were the real deal.

I know Pat said he knew you guys so I thought maybe there was something else going on here but the chambers and the ports were just too small! Anyway I helped Chuck flow them and we got over 300 I think at around .600 lift but then they backed up pretty hard. Casey and Dan and myself were surprised to see even that as small as the port was and sure enough later the scale had slipped and when Casey reflowed them they were right around 290 or so as Chuck said. Maybe these were the wrong heads and not the ones you're thinking about. I am serious because they were WAY too small to move air like that. Could it be that Chuck has another set of heads? They do have 2.080 valves.

 

Chuck,

Were they 2.080 or 2.055? Now I don't remember? Maybe that has something to do with this? I would be surprised to see the wrong valves go in however as I know this would be pretty odd. I've had two sets of GTP heads that had the wrong valves in them and one even had a 1.625 exhaust on a seat set up for a 1.57 valve! Somehow they got switched and assembled that way by one of Craigs newbies I guess but they took care of it.

 

They're 2.080's....

Chuck

 

Talk to Skarodom about your heads. It's pretty tough to beat his stuff.

 

Not to sling mud, but what was the name of the company that butchered Jordan's heads?

 

I was very intriegued by those heads and what my engine could do with a supercharger...

I am wondering how this will end up as it might influence my decision on the heads...

I have a set of 190s AFR and I would like a really nice upgrade on them.

 

Peak Performance, which according to Jordon IRS (racenet) uses to port their heads.
http://fastblackcar.com/camaro/peaksucks.htm

 

we also had them butcher a set of heads for a guy here. Race net motor went one race and started sucking water

 

Yeah... seems we lost their interest possibly. Another thing is that maybe they are flowing these heads without a spark plug screwed in...


Later
Chuck