I really hope they don't.

 

Ditto.

The LZ8, LGD or even the LZ9 are all too weak for the Camaro V6. It needs closer to 300hp and the LLT would provide that. You want the most popular Camaro (in sales) be able to out perform the top Malibu V6, otherwise, what's the point?

 

LLT DI motor wont be base motor for Camaro. Its still exclusive to Caddy. Caddy would look silly if its optional V6 on the 35-40k CTS, and standard engine on the 42k STS would be standard in a 23k Camaro...
275hp 3.6 from the Lambda trio is my bet. More power then the the Malibu, till EPII.

 

The charger/magnum/300s have been using a 190hp V6 for years now and have been selling the CRAP out of them.

The 2.8 is even highly criticized for actually getting lower gas mileage than the 5.7 hemi's.

There are a suprising number of car purchasers today that base 100% of their car purchase on looks, and 0% on performance. Thats why scions are selling and thats why 2.8L 190hp sedans that weigh 4300lbs are selling.

There is a business case for economy mid sized cars and GM knows this. Why not sell a low pow V6 Camaro for that crowd? It will make money for GM. And its not like we will be buying it

 

forget about it if you want a ls7 so bad then just special order it with your special camaro and do not say you cant do it because many people have done it in the past

 

Like who?

Examples from the 60s aren't valid.

 

That would be cool, but I highly doubt that will ever happen in todays assembly line production world.

Now, getting a shop to drop in the LS7 after you buy it is an entirely different proposition. It just makes it a lot more expensive since you can't lease a crate motor.

 

Why the discussion about V6 options in reference to top HP performance? Really, the V6 version is bought for the standard looks, fuel economy, cheaper insurance rates, ect.... If your going for power then you will need the V8 versions and sacrifice your priorities for the aforementioned features for power.

 

Because 2/3rds of all Camaros sold will be V6s; therefore they must also perform at the top of their class.

 

Ummmm.....okay .

 

I agree, could have sworn the thread title was "More than one V-8 in the first year".
Clyde

 

Thinking like this led to HORRIBLE sales of the V6 4th gen Camaro.

V6 does NOT mean that the person does not want a well performing car.

Here is the thing. Camaro is a sports coupe. Muscle car, pony car, sports car,w hatever you want to lable it or use some sort of cute name, its a sports coupe. People expect a level of performance from a sport coupe. Now since Camaro is not some random car that GM just created, and it has a history, that Camaro must live up to a higher standard. To just forget about the V6 because only enthusiasts buy V8's is STUPID thinking, and will kill the 5th gen. It makes people feel like they had to "settle" for a lesser car when they should feel happy about owning a great car that handles well, performes well, and is economical.
They should not have to pony up several thousand dollars more for a V8 if they just want a solid sports coupe.
People should look at Camaro and go WOW THAT IS A GREAT CAR!
And when they drive it, they should get that same feeling, AT EVERY LEVEL!! They get the V6 because its in thier budget, but its also because they feel that the car he or she is buying is something that makes them happy, not cause they wanted a V8, but couldtn afford one, so they guess they will just get the lesser V6.

This type of mentality is right next to 502 Carbed Big Block 5th gen, and a solid rear 12 bolt axle. Engine + Box = fun.

 

I am not so sure. I see it as there are two different types of V6 buyers: those that want, but can't afford the V8; and those that just want a well priced, cool looking, four seat coupe. I also have a suspicion that most fall into the latter category. Sure, if it handles well and is fun to drive, that is a bonus, but not the main reason for the purchase.

So, for majority (as I see it) V6 buyer, things like looks, fuel economy, interior quality and practicality are tops--if not the entire--list to compare cars. The hp won't be an issue, as long as it is close to the competition (250-275hp will be more than enough).

Now, the "want a V8" guys will want as much hp as possible, but I don't think that is a large population. Of course, there are those that fall into this category, but how many in the grand scheme of things?

The Mustang V6 is no barn-burner. Heck, it has 58 less hp than a Camry or Accord and is an awful sporty car (severely underdamped/floaty suspension, poor gearing, no power, etc.), yet it sells well because it hits all the important areas (for the V6 buyer) well.

 

How many more buyers might it bring in along with the 2 demographics you targeted? There could be a completely undeveloped demographic out there for a v6 car that performs well.

 

Agreed, but a V6 with an optional performance handling package would benifit those who want a nice performing coupe.

Agreed to that, but you cant say that they dont worry about performance.

I think thats were we go our seperate ways. V8 guys sure want the power, but they might not be able to afford it, or they dont want to pay the penalty for having such a high performance car. Only allowing V8 guys to ONLY have a LS3 V8 making 430hp, will mean that there will be a sacrafice on milage and on insurance. Having a mid to high 300hp V8 like the L76, would help secure a V8 car for most people not wanting to pay the costs of having a high performance V8 car, but want a V8.

It sells well cause of its design, but its sales numbers are coming down. Design cannot hold ground for long. The Mustang GT still sells well because its an affordable V8 car for well under 30k, and its got plenty of power to keep most people happy. Those that want more, will pay for more.

Camaro is does not offer the same options and choices for its customers, people will go elsewhere and there will only be the die hard enthusiasts who will stick around. Didnt work for the 4th gen, wont work now.