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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 93Phoenix
Sports cars are meant to be driven.

As for not being able to handle a car? I'd take a new Z06 and be willing to bet I wouldn't crash it, I don't understand how you could crash it, take a turn too fast, oversteer in a powerslide? Know the cars limits and don't be a retard.
Hmmm .....

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Looks like somebody needs to learn to manage ~275 HP before they're handed ~505 HP .

Old Jan 5, 2007 | 10:52 AM
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It depends on the handling, the weight, the type of power.

If it handles poor, weighs a lot and has peaky power, it'll suck.

If it handles well, weighs 3000 lbs and has a broad range of power, it'll be good.

If it handles grreat, weighs under 2800 lbs and has a lot of power from off idle and gradually rises to redline, it'll rock everyone.

So it depends on a lot of things.

If they make it 2700 lbs with 400 hp with 250 plus off idle, and it handles well without being bone jarring, it'll be an awesome performer.
If they made it 2500 lbs with 390 hp, with everything else the same, it'd perform better.
Old Jan 5, 2007 | 12:32 PM
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If they make it 2700 lbs with 400 hp with 250 plus off idle, and it handles well without being bone jarring, it'll be an awesome performer.
If they made it 2500 lbs with 390 hp, with everything else the same, it'd perform better.
Are you talking about a "real car" (ie: Camaro concept) or a "fantasy car"?!? Because anything south of ~3500 lbs is pretty much out of the question as far as the Camaro is concerned!!

Now if you're just talking about a "hypothetical car" with ~390 HP that weighed ~2500 lbs, now we're talking about something truly spectacular .
Old Jan 5, 2007 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Capn Pete
Hmmm .....



Looks like somebody needs to learn to manage ~275 HP before they're handed ~505 HP .


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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 12:09 PM
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i thought i had heard somewhere that Chevy does require a performance driving test for buyers of the C6 Z06... i may be imagining that though

Anybody can buy a C6 Z06, as long as you have $80K, a drivers license and insurance.
Old Jan 7, 2007 | 12:34 PM
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 06:31 AM
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Back in '69 my neighbor came back from Vietnam and bought a new '69 'vette convertible with a 427. He didn't have it 6 months before he wrecked it. He then bought a '70 Chevelle SS 454 w/ cowl induction. That lasted about the same time before he wrecked it. Then the insurance company said he needed to tone down and he got a real dog (comparitively). I think it was a '71 Ford Cobra Torino or something like that? So this guy had two of my all time dream cars and wrecked them. Somehting to be said about "too much horsepower".
Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:04 AM
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So this guy had two of my all time dream cars and wrecked them. Somehting to be said about "too much horsepower".
Nah. Too much money. Not too many brain cells .

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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 10:06 AM
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Yeah, i've got a neighbor kid who has wrecked nearly every car he's owned, and he's went through at least 8 that I know of, only one with 300hp+...
I second the reason for a low brain to hp ratio.
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Capn Pete
Are you talking about a "real car" (ie: Camaro concept) or a "fantasy car"?!? Because anything south of ~3500 lbs is pretty much out of the question as far as the Camaro is concerned!!

Now if you're just talking about a "hypothetical car" with ~390 HP that weighed ~2500 lbs, now we're talking about something truly spectacular .
lol, yeah I am talking about a real car. New cars are so loaded up with electronics, sound deadening and extras, it'd be nice if more than one make (lotus)tried to make a low weight vehicle. Even better if they could make it both ways, a light version and a loaded up version.

Considering the advances in aluminum and composites, (the 4th gens even used plastic and fiberglass) it should be possible, plus it'd really help with fuel economy. The actual engineering involved would be what raises the prices up to above reasonable, not the material. Unless they started working with the materials more closely in as many applications as they can (the more they use it the easier it gets).
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 10:24 AM
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Not like the old days with heater delete and roll-up window option. It would be nice to see a low cost option like that for us people who are into modding. Already modded my 1997 after 1 year owning it brand new. Nothing like Torque and HP, and the driveline to handle it.
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thGen
It depends on the handling, the weight, the type of power.

If it handles poor, weighs a lot and has peaky power, it'll suck.

If it handles well, weighs 3000 lbs and has a broad range of power, it'll be good.

If it handles grreat, weighs under 2800 lbs and has a lot of power from off idle and gradually rises to redline, it'll rock everyone.

So it depends on a lot of things.

If they make it 2700 lbs with 400 hp with 250 plus off idle, and it handles well without being bone jarring, it'll be an awesome performer.
If they made it 2500 lbs with 390 hp, with everything else the same, it'd perform better.
The only car you're going to find with those power:weight numbers will be a kit car. try to think of the new Camaro more as a slimmed down current generation GTO (when considering power to weight ratio).
Old Jan 16, 2007 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by StuckInNYForever
The only car you're going to find with those power:weight numbers will be a kit car. try to think of the new Camaro more as a slimmed down current generation GTO (when considering power to weight ratio).
the Elise is a Sub ton car. It can be done with a street legal production car.
Old Jan 17, 2007 | 01:31 AM
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the Elise is a Sub ton car. It can be done with a street legal production car.
Have you priced an Elise lately?
Old Jan 17, 2007 | 02:42 AM
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I don't care what they put out but the base model better have 400 and the SS model 450 at the very least to keep up with Fords line up. There is no SVT for GM so why not make a more powerful top model. And if not that, bring back engine options.



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