When is Enough Horse Power To Much???
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From: Decatur
I think that payments and insurance costs will limit kids somewhat from affording these cars, as they have in the past. There will always be kids whos dady bought them the car or whatnot, but i have know kids whos parents have bought them cars and paid for cam and heads ect. I think that the driving school would be cool, but dont see them requiring it.
As far as the cars go, I dont know how many of you have driven the new z06, but to me it seemed extreemly tame for a 500 hp car. It was obviously a monster, but it still felt under control especially with traction control on. It will take off like a bat out of hell, but I think that due to the more advanced suspension, and engine control, it just wanted to go straight where you pointed it, and not try to go all over the road.
There will always be idiots, but like said before, an idiot in a 250 hp front wheel drive car can do as much damage as they can in a 400 hp car. Honestly a 300 hp car is enough to send yourself sliding out of control into a tree. 400 hp with better suspension and traction control may actually be safer.
I have a hayabusa, and I cant honestly see them limiting someone from buying a 400 hp car that might run 12's when anyone can buy a bike that you can run 9's on out of the box.
Ben
As far as the cars go, I dont know how many of you have driven the new z06, but to me it seemed extreemly tame for a 500 hp car. It was obviously a monster, but it still felt under control especially with traction control on. It will take off like a bat out of hell, but I think that due to the more advanced suspension, and engine control, it just wanted to go straight where you pointed it, and not try to go all over the road.
There will always be idiots, but like said before, an idiot in a 250 hp front wheel drive car can do as much damage as they can in a 400 hp car. Honestly a 300 hp car is enough to send yourself sliding out of control into a tree. 400 hp with better suspension and traction control may actually be safer.
I have a hayabusa, and I cant honestly see them limiting someone from buying a 400 hp car that might run 12's when anyone can buy a bike that you can run 9's on out of the box.
Ben
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From: decatur, IL
hell a 270 hp tuned port car is enough to take out a telephone pole lol.
the 500 plus HP car just means more overtime is needed to pay for the insurance, lots of overtime.
the bike point is a good one though, they don't limit those of us that have bikes capable of 175 + so i don't see it happening for the cars.
thanks
anthony
the 500 plus HP car just means more overtime is needed to pay for the insurance, lots of overtime.
the bike point is a good one though, they don't limit those of us that have bikes capable of 175 + so i don't see it happening for the cars.
thanks
anthony
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From: Rockville Centre, NY, USA
Easy
after an 8 second 150+mph run and a hose breaks spewing fluid knocking out steering control and belts and one finds themselve heading for the wall wishing they were driving a Volvo 240 wagon!
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.........that, and probably the fact that if they do get in an accident with a car, usually the bike rider is on the losing end with little or no injuries to the car driver and passengers.
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From: decatur, IL
i know if they offer the supercharged 500+ hp model, thats whats takin my money, and i will also be 25 by then so my insurance should be cheaper if i dont get any 100+mph speeding tickets before then, lol
thanks
anthony
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From: San Juan PR
I think that payments and insurance costs will limit kids somewhat from affording these cars, as they have in the past. There will always be kids whos dady bought them the car or whatnot, but i have know kids whos parents have bought them cars and paid for cam and heads ect. I think that the driving school would be cool, but dont see them requiring it.
As far as the cars go, I dont know how many of you have driven the new z06, but to me it seemed extreemly tame for a 500 hp car. It was obviously a monster, but it still felt under control especially with traction control on. It will take off like a bat out of hell, but I think that due to the more advanced suspension, and engine control, it just wanted to go straight where you pointed it, and not try to go all over the road.
There will always be idiots, but like said before, an idiot in a 250 hp front wheel drive car can do as much damage as they can in a 400 hp car. Honestly a 300 hp car is enough to send yourself sliding out of control into a tree. 400 hp with better suspension and traction control may actually be safer.
I have a hayabusa, and I cant honestly see them limiting someone from buying a 400 hp car that might run 12's when anyone can buy a bike that you can run 9's on out of the box.
Ben
As far as the cars go, I dont know how many of you have driven the new z06, but to me it seemed extreemly tame for a 500 hp car. It was obviously a monster, but it still felt under control especially with traction control on. It will take off like a bat out of hell, but I think that due to the more advanced suspension, and engine control, it just wanted to go straight where you pointed it, and not try to go all over the road.
There will always be idiots, but like said before, an idiot in a 250 hp front wheel drive car can do as much damage as they can in a 400 hp car. Honestly a 300 hp car is enough to send yourself sliding out of control into a tree. 400 hp with better suspension and traction control may actually be safer.
I have a hayabusa, and I cant honestly see them limiting someone from buying a 400 hp car that might run 12's when anyone can buy a bike that you can run 9's on out of the box.
Ben
The insurance companies want to really rack it up. Its a business yes, everyone wants to earn money, but when you get a company that can collect 350M a year and give out 15M its really profitable. Why in the hell do they want to find any foreseeable excuse to either not insure you or not cover you.
I find it ridiculous when i have to ensure 1k/year on a 15k car just to get the loan. Here the loan is NOT approved if an insurance is not issued.
I just think its a load of crap because most accidents is kids stealing daddy's car, drunk driving and the stupid idiot at 25mph on the freeway.
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From: Saginaw, MI
I have a hayabusa, and I cant honestly see them limiting someone from buying a 400 hp car that might run 12's when anyone can buy a bike that you can run 9's on out of the box.
4 points: I had (at the time in the late 80's) the fastest car in the school parking lot. The first thing I did was not rap it around a pole. I did get threatend to lose the camaro for a rusty 4 banger if I got a ticket. I deceided driving the camaro smart was more fun than a 4 cylinder mustange fast.
I think driving school is overrated. Take the beast out in the snow and drive fast and smooth. Same thing happens just at half the speed. A local cone race or large parking lot can teach a lot too.
There is know such thing as two much HP!
I do miss racing the old '83 HO or the '86 IROC against like machinery. Racing 200hp cars from stoplights is FUN!!! Racing 500hp cars from light to light isn't (ok its fun just dangers things happen fast.) I never did lose in the '83 HO, didn't race a GNX one night but that was one fast car
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From: decatur, IL
i was 19 when i wrapped the pole in my iroc, so i had a few years of driving under my belt when it happened. **** happens, and if someone buys a new z28 and kills a pole with it, then thats why full coverage is important.
you live and you learn. i learned the hard way, everyone has those moments.
you live and you learn. i learned the hard way, everyone has those moments.
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From: Chicagoland
US data
http://www.bts.gov/publications/nati...ble_02_17.html
The number of vehicular fatalities has plateaued around 42k per year from 1995 to 2001.
The number of injuries fell by about has fluctuated from 3,000,000 to 3,500,000 from 1995 to 2001 with no overwhelming trend.
The number of crashes has generally fluctuated between 6 and 7 million from 1995 to 2001.
To find statistical significance you have to compare rates, because it corresponds to how much driving is going on.
No big shock, the number of vehicle miles traveled (VMT) has increased dramatically from the 1960's. From 1995 to 2001 it increased every year. VMT is up to 2,749,803,000,000. In 1960 it was only 718,763,000,000.
The average number of fatalities per million vehicle miles had dropped from 1.7 in 1995 to 1.5 in 2001. In 1960 the average number was 5.1. In 1980 it dropped to 3.3 and in 1990 it dropped to 2.1.
The average number of injuries has dropped every year since 1995. In 1995 the average number of injuries per Million VMT was 151. In 2000 it was 116.
The average number of crashes per million vmt dropped consistently from 1995 to 2000. In 1995 it was 302 and in 2000 it was 233.
I would assert that the average vehicle in the US has had a net horsepower increase from 1995 to 2001. The averages show that overall safety has increased. There are a ton of variables that can lead up to and in combination result in a vehicular crash. To say that limiting horsepower is going to be the magical fairy dust of improving safety is BS.
How much horsepower is too much? When no one wants to pay for more.
http://www.bts.gov/publications/nati...ble_02_17.html
The number of vehicular fatalities has plateaued around 42k per year from 1995 to 2001.
The number of injuries fell by about has fluctuated from 3,000,000 to 3,500,000 from 1995 to 2001 with no overwhelming trend.
The number of crashes has generally fluctuated between 6 and 7 million from 1995 to 2001.
To find statistical significance you have to compare rates, because it corresponds to how much driving is going on.
No big shock, the number of vehicle miles traveled (VMT) has increased dramatically from the 1960's. From 1995 to 2001 it increased every year. VMT is up to 2,749,803,000,000. In 1960 it was only 718,763,000,000.
The average number of fatalities per million vehicle miles had dropped from 1.7 in 1995 to 1.5 in 2001. In 1960 the average number was 5.1. In 1980 it dropped to 3.3 and in 1990 it dropped to 2.1.
The average number of injuries has dropped every year since 1995. In 1995 the average number of injuries per Million VMT was 151. In 2000 it was 116.
The average number of crashes per million vmt dropped consistently from 1995 to 2000. In 1995 it was 302 and in 2000 it was 233.
I would assert that the average vehicle in the US has had a net horsepower increase from 1995 to 2001. The averages show that overall safety has increased. There are a ton of variables that can lead up to and in combination result in a vehicular crash. To say that limiting horsepower is going to be the magical fairy dust of improving safety is BS.
How much horsepower is too much? When no one wants to pay for more.
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Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 3,082
From: San Juan PR
US data
http://www.bts.gov/publications/nati...ble_02_17.html
The number of vehicular fatalities has plateaued around 42k per year from 1995 to 2001.
The number of injuries fell by about has fluctuated from 3,000,000 to 3,500,000 from 1995 to 2001 with no overwhelming trend.
The number of crashes has generally fluctuated between 6 and 7 million from 1995 to 2001.
To find statistical significance you have to compare rates, because it corresponds to how much driving is going on.
No big shock, the number of vehicle miles traveled (VMT) has increased dramatically from the 1960's. From 1995 to 2001 it increased every year. VMT is up to 2,749,803,000,000. In 1960 it was only 718,763,000,000.
The average number of fatalities per million vehicle miles had dropped from 1.7 in 1995 to 1.5 in 2001. In 1960 the average number was 5.1. In 1980 it dropped to 3.3 and in 1990 it dropped to 2.1.
The average number of injuries has dropped every year since 1995. In 1995 the average number of injuries per Million VMT was 151. In 2000 it was 116.
The average number of crashes per million vmt dropped consistently from 1995 to 2000. In 1995 it was 302 and in 2000 it was 233.
I would assert that the average vehicle in the US has had a net horsepower increase from 1995 to 2001. The averages show that overall safety has increased. There are a ton of variables that can lead up to and in combination result in a vehicular crash. To say that limiting horsepower is going to be the magical fairy dust of improving safety is BS.
How much horsepower is too much? When no one wants to pay for more.
http://www.bts.gov/publications/nati...ble_02_17.html
The number of vehicular fatalities has plateaued around 42k per year from 1995 to 2001.
The number of injuries fell by about has fluctuated from 3,000,000 to 3,500,000 from 1995 to 2001 with no overwhelming trend.
The number of crashes has generally fluctuated between 6 and 7 million from 1995 to 2001.
To find statistical significance you have to compare rates, because it corresponds to how much driving is going on.
No big shock, the number of vehicle miles traveled (VMT) has increased dramatically from the 1960's. From 1995 to 2001 it increased every year. VMT is up to 2,749,803,000,000. In 1960 it was only 718,763,000,000.
The average number of fatalities per million vehicle miles had dropped from 1.7 in 1995 to 1.5 in 2001. In 1960 the average number was 5.1. In 1980 it dropped to 3.3 and in 1990 it dropped to 2.1.
The average number of injuries has dropped every year since 1995. In 1995 the average number of injuries per Million VMT was 151. In 2000 it was 116.
The average number of crashes per million vmt dropped consistently from 1995 to 2000. In 1995 it was 302 and in 2000 it was 233.
I would assert that the average vehicle in the US has had a net horsepower increase from 1995 to 2001. The averages show that overall safety has increased. There are a ton of variables that can lead up to and in combination result in a vehicular crash. To say that limiting horsepower is going to be the magical fairy dust of improving safety is BS.
How much horsepower is too much? When no one wants to pay for more.
its like saying that only speed kills.
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Do not underestimate the ability of the Federal government (or of a California do-gooder) to make an issue where there is none...to offer a solution to a problem that does not exits.
"How much is too much horsepower" may well depend on the political flavor of the month and all the statisticts in the world to the contraty won't matter.
These are the same people who think the answer to "gun crime" is to take guns away from law-abiding citizens so that they can no longer protect themselves...these are the same people who firmly believe that second-hand smoke is dangerous to health despite all the medical research to the contraty and then ban all smoking even in restaurants rather than letting the restaurant owner decide what makes sense for his business.
"How much is too much horsepower" may well depend on the political flavor of the month and all the statisticts in the world to the contraty won't matter.
These are the same people who think the answer to "gun crime" is to take guns away from law-abiding citizens so that they can no longer protect themselves...these are the same people who firmly believe that second-hand smoke is dangerous to health despite all the medical research to the contraty and then ban all smoking even in restaurants rather than letting the restaurant owner decide what makes sense for his business.
