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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron78Z&01SS
Not too sure about that.

Depending on trim levels and tranmissions, all that seperates the V8 from the V6 is 144-163lbs for the auto and 80-119 for the manual. Considering that you'd probably want the turbo'd V6 to have the upgraded brakes and (probably) bigger sway bars, there really wouldn't be that much of a weight advantage. Hell, you could make up the weight difference by having less gas in the tank or going on a diet.

I'm not turbo "smart", so forgive me, but how easy would it be to get 122hp & 135lbs tq out of the V6 to match the LS3?

And then there might be an issue with reliability of the V6 transmissions holding up to LS3 power levels.

Sorry, but I just don't see it.
Again, I'd like to direct you to the Australian Ford Falcon, which is built on the platform that competes directly with the one Camaro is based on. The V-8 version of that one handles significantly worse than the Turbo-6, because it's much more nose heavy, and it weighs about 120lbs less overall. The V-8 has a couple horsepower (seriously...like..a couple.) over the 6, but acceleration is inferior in the 8, because the 6 actually has a much better torque curve.

And bumping a 300hp DI V-6 to 400hp would be VERY easy. It's done all the time, reliably. I imagine they'd use a destroked/bored version of the engine to get some extra strength, and easily attain that power figure.

And I think a lot of people would buy that. Over in australia, where they have almost the exact same taste in vehicles as us (they love V-8's and full size cars), the Turbo-6 Falcon is outselling the V-8 by a large margin.
Old Aug 22, 2008 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by boxerperson
Again, I'd like to direct you to the Australian Ford Falcon, which is built on the platform that competes directly with the one Camaro is based on. The V-8 version of that one handles significantly worse than the Turbo-6, because it's much more nose heavy, and it weighs about 120lbs less overall. The V-8 has a couple horsepower (seriously...like..a couple.) over the 6, but acceleration is inferior in the 8, because the 6 actually has a much better torque curve.

And bumping a 300hp DI V-6 to 400hp would be VERY easy. It's done all the time, reliably. I imagine they'd use a destroked/bored version of the engine to get some extra strength, and easily attain that power figure.

And I think a lot of people would buy that. Over in australia, where they have almost the exact same taste in vehicles as us (they love V-8's and full size cars), the Turbo-6 Falcon is outselling the V-8 by a large margin.
Yeah, but that 5.4 in the Aussie Falcon is a lousy starting point for a high performance engine. It probably outweighs the LS3 by 120 pounds. It's basically just a long stroke version of the 4.6, which is itself larger than the LS3.

Ford Australia did the best they could with what they started with.
Old Aug 31, 2008 | 08:29 PM
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Did'nt have time nor did I want to read all 15 pages of this post. With that said I am disappointed in0 the new camaro in the fact that she is a poker. They could've made a lighter car and still met all the needs and requirements at the same price. Bottom line ford did on the mustang.
Old Aug 31, 2008 | 08:42 PM
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Porker? My 95 Bird Convert weighs 4200+ pounds not including driver and gas.
If the new vert can come in around the same weight as this one I will be happy.
Old Aug 31, 2008 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Geezer powered
Did'nt have time nor did I want to read all 15 pages of this post. With that said I am disappointed in0 the new camaro in the fact that she is a poker. They could've made a lighter car and still met all the needs and requirements at the same price. Bottom line ford did on the mustang.
Why don't you be so kind as to explain how they could have but chose not too. Your statement is not supported by any facts whatsoever.
Old Aug 31, 2008 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 95birdible
Porker? My 95 Bird Convert weighs 4200+ pounds not including driver and gas.
If the new vert can come in around the same weight as this one I will be happy.
how the heck did your 95 come in at 4200lbs! my FULL SIZE full framed 1968 Galaxie Convertible with a big block and C6/9in rear comes in around 4000lbs. and thats with all stock steel body/bumpers and full complete interior. Did your 95 have some kind of cast iron roll cage?
Old Aug 31, 2008 | 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MauriSSio
how the heck did your 95 come in at 4200lbs! my FULL SIZE full framed 1968 Galaxie Convertible with a big block and C6/9in rear comes in around 4000lbs. and thats with all stock steel body/bumpers and full complete interior. Did your 95 have some kind of cast iron roll cage?
I think he's confusing the GVWR on the door tag for the curb weight. A 95 TA vert should be around 3600lbs.
Old Aug 31, 2008 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by yellow_99_gt
I think he's confusing the GVWR on the door tag for the curb weight. A 95 TA vert should be around 3600lbs.
+1

serious. maybe he has a convertible 95 sub-bird-ban.
Old Sep 1, 2008 | 03:43 PM
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pruettfan my statement needs no facts other then the new camaro is a beast, it weighs what close to 400-500lbs more then a 4th gen and what 300-400 more then a mustang. I dont care how it couldve been done, but it can be. Bottom line is Ford did it ( and I dont like ford)
Old Sep 1, 2008 | 09:35 PM
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The new Camaro is heavy, but if my 05 GTO is any indication, it should handle like a much lighter car.
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