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Final Price Issued....see post

 

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Haven't posted to this thread yet.....

Hell no. A turbodiesel in the Camaro would only make worse the few weaknesses the car already has. It would increase forward weight bias and add at least 100lbs to the curb weight while offering less acceleration.

It'd perform like torque biased V6 version of the car with more weight and less handling, and no advantage at the pump at all when you take the higher cost of the engine and fuel and the already excellent economy of the V6.

And it'd sound boring as hell. I do like the smell of diesel fuel tho.

Camaro needs tech-substance, not one off tricks. I fully admit that the idea of a diesel in the camaro is pretty cool, but judging by the performance of the DI V6, Camaro might be better served by waiting for the next-gen, which will undoubtedly be downsized, before implimenting a diesel. Perhaps by then the car can lose 400lbs and a smaller displacement diesel would make more sense as an even more fuel efficient lower rung engine. For now we've already got the fuel economy of the V6 and the tire roasting torque of the corvette engine.

I mean no disrespect to the guys working on this project, I just don't see that it would have any substantial market support given the already excellent performance and economy of the DI V6. The 4th Gen F-body project with a diesel is a great idea and would likely result in absolutely ridiculous mileage (400lbs less weight and the aerodynamics of a suppository have their benefits!) as well as performance on par with or slightly better than, the 5th gen V-6.

 

I respectfully disagree with you. Either the V6 or V8 turbo diesel would be a good engine for the Camaro.

The V8 TD would probably add weight, but we don't know how much. I am sure it would get better fuel economy than the LLT while providing the acceleration that would split the difference of the current models. If it weighs 100 pounds more than the LSx, then that would be less than a 3% increase in total mass. Maybe only offer it with 19" wheels to offset the extra weight.

The V6 TD would probably weigh about as much as the LSx, but again, we don't know for sure yet. It should be able to get 35mpg on the highway with acceleration that would be very close to the LLT due to the extra 130+ ft-lbs and numerically lower gearing that it would get.

I am seeing diesel prices the same as regular gasoline around here.

 

yeah?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uFcvZuB2n4

diesel is an ugly dirty word. My mission is to make people understand that Diesel is the backbone of our trucking (freight) world. think about it. And if we need a real NOW world solution to our dependancy on foreign oil, Simply retrofit to Biodiesel. made from soybean, corn, seaweed, the list goes on. When your gasonline prices skyrocket in the next few years, maybe some people will look at alternative. After all you can't have all the stupid chit people buy without traveling on a Diesel truck, or Diesel electric train at some point. Wake up!

would anybody mind a 500lb-ft torque and 30 mpg average? think I am lying?.....

I'm not saying gas engines are bad in any way. I LOVE the LSx engines. The car in my sig, I didn't build it to run 10s in the 1/4, and I really didn;t do anything that spectacular, it's just different. I took two very old ideas (Diesel and Muscle Car) and combined them. basically life is a puzzle, we all try to learn what pieces are which, but we each have a different puzzle. Some people have similar pieces as others. Some don't. It's all how they fit together that matters. right?

 

I honestly don't really care for how that clip sounds. It's not bad, it's just not what I'd be after.

I'm not sayin' it's not cool...but I really don't think that there's a mass market for it. The engines cost more, and to get them modified to have LSx performance only ups the cost. The torque is awesome I'm sure.

As a long range cruiser it'd be great, because the highway mileage would be approaching the levels enjoyed by some hybrids...but the overall cost of it wouldn't economically offset the decreased fuel economy. Great for people who want something different, but the mass appeal of it is lacking. Until GM offers a high volume production diesel engine that's geared towards performance, it'll stay that way. And they shelved their diesel efforts for a while.

It's certainly a better idea than making a HYBRID Camaro, that's for damn sure. The hundreds of extra pounds required for batteries, coupled with the decrease in interior room resultant of making a car that was never intended to be a hybrid into one....just makes no sense. The fact that hybrids don't help the environment at all due to the processes involved in manufacturing them and their batteries just makes them...kind of a total write off in my book. Hurray! My car has less tailpipe emissions than my neighbors, I've successfully moved the pollution to a factory where they can buy rights to make more pollution.

So yeah. It's a good idea but in terms of what GM itself can do right now it wouldn't work. Like I said in my first post....probably a great idea for 6th gen camaro, which will undoubtedly lose several hundred pounds if it gets made. By then GM will likely have dumped money into diesel technology.

You know what I'd wanna see more than anything in terms of a dream engine for the 5th gen? Somebody needs to drop one of the crate engine 3 rotor turbo wankels that mazda offers into one of these things. 100 pounds lighter than the v-6, 400+ horsepower and torque....THAT would just be ridiculously awesome.

 

updated pics of the car.....

 

the exhuast is hilarious looking until you see the engine badging. underhood pics?

 

Neat pictures. neat project. Love diesels. Just did oil change on my old 03 Jetta TDI(Turbo diesel) and she purrs like a kitten at 277,000 kms. Here is the problem. it does not make sense for GM to build it. Wrong platform. This company is living on borrowed time and money. The car is too heavy and the engines make it heavier and the car would not come in a a reasonable price point. Diesel owners are CHEAP. Even guys who buy ML320's (MB) . Yes I know the torque...its amazing ...yes I know the economy...its amazing. The challenge is that I bought my 5th Gen SS for a FUN car. Camaro's wont be commuting all over america. Lets face it they just wont. GM needs "deperately" to have winner after winner. Here is a winner. A decontented 6 speed manual Malibu with a DSG option for low money with a 120 hp/200 ft lbs torque with pretty wheels, PW,PL,Cruise and air and a good sound system and maybe a sunroof option. Secondly, a 90HP/160 ft lb Chevy cruise /Volt type car. Same equipment.
Canada and America need these cars NOW. Commuter cars with world class looks and safety that have starting prices that are VERY reasonable . There is also a Market for CTS diesel with a DSG (Direct shift gearbox). At benz every day people come in to showrooms and ask about a C class Diesel.
And of course a Chevy Traverse Diesel.
The Camaro diesel is a dream....but GM does not have the money to screw around with very low volume cars. I want GM to build my 6th Gen in 4-6 yrs. Wont happen if they spend millions building Camaro diesels .
By the way I have been a diesel owner and Camaro owner for 30+ yrs.
Cheers.