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Old Mar 26, 2008 | 06:02 AM
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I don't think it has been posted, but let's not forget that diesel costs about 60-70 cents more per gallon than regular, from what I have seen. The performance is good, and the gas milage would be better, but would it be enough to overcome the huge premium for the cost of the fuel?
Old Mar 26, 2008 | 10:04 AM
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Although I don't think it is a bad idea, the 5th gen is likely going to be heavy enough without a diesel. This hypothetical diesel could easily push the car past two tons, with way more weight on the nose then there should be. And with only 250hp, if the car weighs two tons, it isn't going to be skimming 13s at all.
The next gen 4.5L Duramax isn't any bigger than the LSx package.
Old Mar 26, 2008 | 10:20 AM
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250hp and 400+ ft-lbs of torque.

I'm thinking a smaller v6 diesel would do alright with DOHC. SOmewhere int he 3-3.4L range.

Too bad it takes a year or two for development of engines like that though.
Old Mar 26, 2008 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 09camaroZ28
if u guys are concerned about gas mileage that much maybe the camaro isnt for you its very unlikely that gm is going to put a tubro disel in the camaro maybe a v6 hybrid gm wont change what has been powering the camaro for 35 years which is a gasoline motor
I want to be able to still drive my Camaro in 20 years when gasoline no longer exists. Biodiesel is much easier to synthesis than ethanol (E85 still contains gasoline btw).
Old Mar 26, 2008 | 04:41 PM
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The next gen 4.5L Duramax isn't any bigger than the LSx package.
I am damn sure it is heavier though. In a car that is already likely to be more portly than many on here would appreciate. Besides, everyone can talk about 400lb-ft of torque all they want, with 250hp that diesel is likely to be much slower than the rumored v6 car. In an even heavier package.

If GM can do it and development costs are minimal, then sure, why not. Someone will buy them. I am just lost on the benefits of this engine in a performance car.
Old Mar 26, 2008 | 04:42 PM
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I want to be able to still drive my Camaro in 20 years when gasoline no longer exists. Biodiesel is much easier to synthesis than ethanol (E85 still contains gasoline btw).
Run your gas engine on full alcohol then.

Expensive, yes. I bet in 20 years all things internal combustion engine will be expensive though.
Old Mar 28, 2009 | 10:27 PM
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call it an epic thread from the dead, or whatever you want.

I think it is about time for a turbo diesel Camaro. The idea of gobs of torque, great fuel mileage, reliability, among others and just in general something different. It's no coincidence that Europe has a large diesel vehicle market, especially with $5.00/gal+ fuel prices.

Well I built one.

The car started as a base model Southern 1994 Camaro V6, 4L60E, drum rear brakes, power nothing, and 114,000 miles. Then stuffed a 6.5L V8 turbo diesel engine and 4L80E trans from a 1994 Chevrolet Truck. Rear mounted turbocharger, external wastegate, fuel cell are just a few attributes.

here are some pics and a couple short vids. Enjoy! Edit:havin' trouble loading pics

Cody

Vids...

Idle/Walkaround
http://s648.photobucket.com/albums/u...t=MOV01216.flv

Fly-by
http://s648.photobucket.com/albums/u...t=MOV01332.flv

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Old Mar 28, 2009 | 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Rafedial1
call it an epic thread from the dead, or whatever you want.

I think it is about time for a turbo diesel Camaro. The idea of gobs of torque, great fuel mileage, reliability, among others and just in general something different. It's no coincidence that Europe has a large diesel vehicle market, especially with $5.00/gal+ fuel prices.

Well I built one.

The car started as a base model Southern 1994 Camaro V6, 4L60E, drum rear brakes, power nothing, and 114,000 miles. Then stuffed a 1994 6.5L turbo diesel engine and 4L80E trans from a 1994 Chevrolet Truck. Rear mounted turbocharger, external wastegate, fuel cell are just a few attributes.

here are some pics and a couple short vids. Enjoy! Edit:havin' trouble loading pics

Cody

Vids...

Idle/Walkaround
http://s648.photobucket.com/albums/u...t=MOV01216.flv

Fly-by
http://s648.photobucket.com/albums/u...t=MOV01332.flv


Wow!
Old Mar 29, 2009 | 12:49 AM
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I can't agree but each to their own opinions.

I heard a V6 Camaro the other day with the driver giving it some stick... it didn't sound too good to my ears.

Granted, the V6 Camaro is what will make up the bulk of production numbers but it's the V8 that makes the car what it is.

I'm not so sure about the idea of 4 cyl turbos or diesels being made available to Camaro. It's a bit like saying we'll make a car for all types... but I'm not convinced that the 'all types' will buy it.

A diesel engined Camaro isn't something I'd like to hear drive past me. But that's just me.
Old Mar 29, 2009 | 04:12 AM
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what? you don't like the sound of a turbo spooling up?

The 4.5L turbo diesel would be an awesome engine for the Camaro. If/when that engine finally hits production, it will be one of the most technologically advanced engines available. DOHC, direct injection, compressed graphite block, turbo mounted between the heads, etc. The Camaro's chassis should be strong enough to stand up to 520ft-lbs since there is a pretty good chance the engineers were expecting the LSA to make its way under the hood eventually. Sure, it will be heavier than an aluminum block engine, but it should still be capable of getting over 30miles per gallon while being capable of running 13s off the showroom floor.
Old Mar 29, 2009 | 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by AdioSS
what? you don't like the sound of a turbo spooling up?

The 4.5L turbo diesel would be an awesome engine for the Camaro. If/when that engine finally hits production, it will be one of the most technologically advanced engines available. DOHC, direct injection, compressed graphite block, turbo mounted between the heads, etc. The Camaro's chassis should be strong enough to stand up to 520ft-lbs since there is a pretty good chance the engineers were expecting the LSA to make its way under the hood eventually. Sure, it will be heavier than an aluminum block engine, but it should still be capable of getting over 30miles per gallon while being capable of running 13s off the showroom floor.
Diesels sound agricultural (pun intended).

I just think the current GM V8s do the job expected for what is ultimately a performance coupe. A DI injected V8 would be an even better alternative, IMO.

Anyway, if GM decide the diesel engine is worth its entry price, then I'd like to see them go the 4.5L V8 option. But I keep asking myself why diesel in a Camaro?
Old Mar 29, 2009 | 08:32 AM
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How things have changed since I started this thread 15 months ago. Both the 2.9 and 4.5 have been cancelled, for one thing.
Old Mar 29, 2009 | 04:25 PM
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hm....diesel camaro. My friend has an 09 chevy dually that is diesel and it is a beast. My concern with these newer diesels though are the exhaust filters. That is the only problem that he has had with his truck. Otherwise, the concept seems pretty neat to me
Old Mar 30, 2009 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
How things have changed since I started this thread 15 months ago. Both the 2.9 and 4.5 have been cancelled, for one thing.
yes, just like the Camaro was canceled several years ago, but alas, it has returned...

And I agree, go straight to the V8 for the Camaro.
Old Mar 30, 2009 | 04:40 PM
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Wow. And I thought my Formula sounded like a school bus at idle some times

I would definitely think about a turbo diesel Camaro. Good economy and ridiculous potential for boost.



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