I am guessing more weight will come from making everything else in the drivetrain stronger when you add another 150 hp. I am surprised that has not been brought up.

 

Of course. I didn't even occur to me that would require any explanation. They wouldn't simply drop an LSA in an SS and call it done.

 

Of course we need ot take into account that this will be a limited production model and be packed with $$ / heavy options to squeeze out a few more dollars.

 

Isn't the automatic version of LSA Cadillac using the same transmission as the L99 Camaro SS? (I believe it is.)

 

No doubt. I'd expect it to be full content and not a "stripper" car. Kind of add every option imaginable to the 2SS and then swap in the LSA, HUD and heated leather seats and you've probably got a good idea.

Damn! I hate to say it, but in that case Charlie might be right.

 

Oh Jeff, I know how painful that was for you.

 

The Mustang may feel better but it doesn't hide the fact that it was still 4 seconds a lap faster than a track pack Mustang. Perception doesn't put you on the podium.



Just to add fuel to the fire, the 2011 GT is going to essentially be a GT500 with a N/A motor. Same rear, suspension, brakes, 6 speed (albeit with different gearing,) etc. yet its only gaining 30 lbs.

After reading these posts I think there are a few who are focusing way too much on just one aspect of the car and not realizing the total package. A true racer wants to finish first and its hard to not acknowledge that the Camaro beats its class rivals on the track.

 

But how many more cars would it beat if they "fixed" the understeer? Something that should be relitively easy to do....

 

Want some irony with that fuel? When word first started to leak out that the Mustang was going to make ~400 HP yet would be nearly the same weight, how many folks on here were saying there was no way that would happen, as with the extra power, Ford would have to add stronger and thus heavier parts to back it up?

Anybody want to name names?

Bob

 

Will the '11 Mustang meet 2012 crash standards? If not, then it might need some additional reinforcement. The Camaro does already meet those crash standards.

Don't know, just asking?

 

6L90 in the CTS-V and 6L80 in the L99, IIRC.
It's all on the GM Powertrain website if you want to check my recollection.

 

Just a guess on my part, but I don't see why it wouldn't. It wouldn't make much sense to do a major revision of the car and have it not meet crash standards 2 model years later. Especially when an all-new model isn't due till 2014+. So i'd hope Ford took the 2012 standards into account when they designed the 2010 car.

95firehawk, didn't the 2011 model gain closer to 75lbs?? I'm pretty sure it gained more than just 30lbs. It went from something like 3,530lbs to about 3,605lbs. Still a respectable # given the amount of changes and relative lightweight compared to its peers, but its no 30lbs from what i've read.

 

Yes, it's closer to 75, base model to base model. We don't know about the Track Pack model, however, which adds something like 40 pounds on the '10.

 

I would think so, too. But I have not read any press release to say it will pass 2012 crash standards yet I have read from numerous forums that the '10 Mustang will not pass those regs.

Is it possible Ford are trying to make hay while the sun shines with the '11 model - let's not forget 2012 is still 2 years away? Could it also be reason why they are also working on DI and TT V8 versions for future iterations?

 

Yes it will meet the 2012 regs. That is where most of the weight came from.

There was no reason to add to the chassis, otherwise, as the 2010 GT is already a GT500 structure. Thus, to go from 315hp to 412, is really nothing except engine, and trans. The stock brakes are marginally larger, but that would add very little weight.

I would imagine that most of the weight gain of the track pack model (40lbs supposedly), will be due to the wheel/tire package. I can't imagine that Brembos add alot of weight.