Mine does alright...in Forza 3

 

In this case, I disagree. If we started on the front on the Camaro, we would likely got to a smaller bar to correct the understeer (unless it is a contact patch issue as you stated) and would sacrifice roll stiffness in an already compliant car. That is not the direction I would want to go personally. Thus, I would start with the rear bar in this case.

 

Thank you for the response Scott. I'm waiting for the fat lady to sing I guess! But I am certainly VERY optimistic based on what I have seen from the CTS-V.

I just hope that Track Package comes in time to steal some of the Mustangs thunder!

 

138 replies to a time sheet where the car is 4 seconds behind the $58,000 M3.

Heck, it's considerably ahead of the track pack Mustang. How much is a bare bones track pack? 30K?

 

Heh, yes it is in fact the Strano bar. It saves a whole 5 lbs allegedly. Too bad I lost more than that with the Watts.

Yeah I dunno. I don't think we would just change one thing at a time, but if we had to perhaps the rear bar... I can't really speculate too much since I haven't driven one myself though. But it would be smarter to do something like shocks + bars, especially if the shocks on the 5th Gen are anything like on a 4th Gen (ie terrible).

 

How much ahead of a non-TP Mustang would the SS be?

Or

How much closer to the M3 would a TP Camaro be?

 

I am pretty sure you have to buy a GT Premium inorder to get the Track Pack. I did the numbers quite a while ago when the 2010 GT and Camaro came out and I think the two (GT Track Pack and Camaro SS) are almost identical in price at around $34-35k.

For those who do not need or want leather, the 1SS looks to be the best performance bang for the buck still, seeing as the 2011 GT Track Pack will require one to start with GT Premium. I still haven't confirmed if the Brembo's will be part of the Track Pack or an entirely separate option where the Track Pack just features upgraded pads on the standard GT calipers like it did in 2010.

 

Then I suppose we can assume that a "potential" LSA Camaro {cough... Z/28...cough} could be more than "just" a supercharger.

 

That would be great, but for those of us who don't want or can't afford a Z28, there is no reason the regular SS can't handle better. And for that matter, no reason it can't have a performance package that takes it to another level similar to the Track Pack on the Mustang GT.

 

I would expect the equivalent of the 1LE at some point.

The "Mustang is more fun on a track" results in magazine tests can be distilled down to the Mustang offering a Track Pack and the Camaro not offering one ... yet.

Take a look at other comparisons with BMW, etc., where the magazine happens to get some cars with and some without sport packages. The one without usually suffers.

 

'til the sissy mustang screams

 

We'll see. I've never driven a Track Pack Mustang, but the standard one "feels" alot better to me than the Camaro SS. Lap times are important, but what Camaro needs most IMHO, is much improved "feel".

Start with more direct and communicative steering. If you can't fix that, don't even bother going any further.

Any Camaro - from base to performance - should feel alert and involving, NOT lethargic and lifeless.

If you can't fix that stuff, I really don't care how much extra power you add....

 

I guess more than anything else, I'd like to see GM offer their own "track pack" that can be added to either the base 1SS or 2SS, rather than offer a "track"/1LE stripper car. Sure they can offer it standard on the LSA Camaro, but it should at least also be optional on Camaro SS. Those that want a boulevard cruiser simply need not order the option.

 

My personal preference would be to not have an add on "Track Pack" per se, but to simply fix the Camaro's difficiencies across the board. From bottom to top. I'm not sure if that's even possible, but that's what I'd like to see. Beyond that obviously, I'd like to see a more focused niche performance package. Something comprehensive, called Z/28.

Of course, GM first needs to stop it's obsession with the 2005 GT500 and deliver the Z/28 which they not only promised us at the Heritage Center in Detroit 4 years ago - but the one everyone wants. Again, I don't know if that's even possible.....

 

A shock/sway bar revision for the second year would not be unusual for GM. Not sure what their options are for an easy steering fix. You are going to have to live with the interior and blind spots.