That's a point well taken... Dodge does deserve kudos for their success with the Charger and the SRT8's. But I did test drive a Charger RT in 2005, and did not get all on fire to buy one. And I still think the Challenger needs a lot more interior differentiation than it's getting. JM02

 

I think I'm one of the "part's bin" culprits...Like, BDF said - that's a good point, Christianjax. I suppose I hadn't thought of it that way. And I was expecting a little differenciation. But what you said definitely makes sense.

 

They are definately blue. This is the third thread where he has argued just for the sake of arguing. You'd have thought that BigDarknFast designed the interior himself the way he goes on and on about it.

I personally think the interior of the Camaro doesn't match the exterior. I believe that the Camaro should've gotten a more modern interior since its exterior is a more modern interpretation of previous Camaros. The Challenger should have been given a more retro theme due to the exterior looking more closely like the 70's version.

After seeing the interior of the Challenger as well as seeing the Concept Drag car (gonna have to do more research on that one) I might have to add the Challenger to the "potential buy" list along with the Mustang and Camaro. You know, since I was told to go out and buy a Mustang since I didn't find the interior to my liking.

 

I think people got themselves all worked up over the camaro concept cars interior.

They decided then they hated it. The pre-production mule pics we've seen look like they've carried the same theme, but lost all the edginess from the orange highlights and machined aluminum. Personally, I like the mule interior pics I've seen. It's different but it does not look bad at all. It's only different from tradional interiors, but you can see the lineage to the 69 interior, but it is completely modern, exactly like the exterior.

 

It's worth noting that the 08 Challenger's interior is (we think) the last one that was finalized under the OLD Daimler regime. There's already talk of some changes coming during the 09 model run -- pleated seats like the concept's, for starters.

 

Since you're so keen on "challenging certain statements", allow me to do the same. You're wrong, and here's why....

Yes, believe it or not, mechanically sound modern cars that are tracked can and do experience low oil pressure conditions in long, high g corners while maintaining "remarkably uniform" pressure in daily life. Sometimes even if you top off with a quart or more extra. Why?

Sometimes it is because the car is simply run hard and it normally consumes some oil anyway due to blowby (remember that most manufacturers consider anything up to 1 qt per 1000 miles to be "normal"). Other times it is because they inhale it through the PCV.

Sometimes (and this is probably most common) there is nothing wrong with the car but you're a competent driver on R comps and you're just simply going too hard for the stock unbaffled pan. I believe some 1st gen CTS-V owners hurt their cars this way. Heck, there have been blown engines in autocrossers (where we really don't have time to watch the gauges) because the stock pan starved the pump mid corner.

In any instance, if you notice the oil pressure is dipping precariously in corners, you'll have a chance to come off course BEFORE the dreaded it's - already - too - late - light springs to life. Even if you elect to not come off course you can still back off your pace and run within your mechanical limits BEFORE you hurt a bearing. And before you put the words in my mouth, I'm not saying that proper gauge placement is going to prevent all parts breakage. There is always the possibility of some catastrophic failure due to some heretofore undetected / undetectable condition when running the car hard.

There are more dual purpose (weekend funster / daily driver) cars out there than you may think. Note that I am NOT referring to the occasional drag racer here. I'm talking about HPDEs and time trials. Heck, I personally know a 20 year old college kid who tracks his daily driver Z3.

 

You certainly make a case that oil starvation CAN happen. But as I've said, that is not a typical duty cycle for a car such as this. A C6 Vette? Sure. Z06? Definitely. But the Camaro? It's more of a street car, than a full-blown track racer. I for one do not want to subsidize weekender track racers by supporting a notion the Camaro should have full-race dry sump oiling. Also - anyone who wants to track a Camaro can do so... but they will need special insurance (if they can afford it at all), and gosh I'd think they can also then afford a couple more gauges, placed wherever their heart desires.

 

Again, we are thinking that there's only going to be 1 version of Camaro.

But...while this may not be typical for a V6, base V8 Camaro...it most certainly IS just the type of duty cycle a Z28 MUST be equipped for...or miss its target demographic. A poor man's Vette.

 

I could have sworn i posted this on page 3....

highlighted by bolding and underlining so hopefully ya'll will read it now.

 

I'm not flaming you here, but wouldn't you be better served to put a dry sump system on ANY car you intend to race like that? That would be better than a gauge anyway. Because the g's pulled in cornering will starve some engines of oil anyway, and if in mid turn your oil pressure drops because of this, what are you going to do, dump the turn and go flying off the track? Like proper seatbelts and helmet and roll cage where needed, Dry Sump Oiling should be required more so than a gauge. Again, not flaming, but if you REALLY race like that, what good is the gauge going to do in the middle of a high speed, high G turn anyway?

 

We haven't yet seen a "Z28" interior, nor even a production interior, nor do we even know if there will be a "Z28" or what it will be called, or how equipped. Yet, that hasn't stopped some from chastising GM about it all

I've got to agree with Purple 92....

 

not to mention, that Scott has all but said that the Camaro will have HUD. So I'm sure oil pressure will be available in some kind of redundancy in a good field of view. I'll put money on it.

 

Agreed. No one in the 'winkie club' here has openly confirmed it (I imagine that would get people in trouble), but there are a ton of informal comments here (+ other sites) and innuendo that make me believe the car will have a HUD. Plus - we do not yet know what info the DIC can display

 

it tells you EXACTLY when to say "OH ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

Hmmmm...


Notice "Z28" striping?
Classic "Z28", tho it hasn't been spelled out, I would've thought it to be acedemic by now.
Add to the fact, that one model would'nt fit the wide gambit of "enthusiests to Joe Daily driver"....