I think until you have met him you have no business implying Robert's motives are anything but genuine.

Have you been to basically all the Atlanta Gatherings ever held? Robert has. The letters STFU come to mind...

I've met the guy on numerous occassions, and he truly is an F-bod enthusiast. It makes me sick to my stomach somebody has nothing better to do that to question the integrity of somebody he doesn't know, just because his opinion differs.

The man is entitled to his opinion. His "threshold" for retroness is obviously a lot lower than the rest of us. Give him a break.

 

When it's here I will!

I don't know that it will be twice a top Camaro but you are correct, it won't be inexpensive. It is, afterall all, aimed squarely at Porsche 911 Turbo performance at Carrera prices so you can’t exactly expect it to be inexpensive.

 

Nobody's calling it a knockoff, but it's fricking OBVIOUS where the 5th gen's inspiration comes from. Just looking a the picture above, I see similar:

a) hood-roof-trunk line (with raked-back windshield on the modern interpretation)
b) side glass
c) cowl-induction hood bulge
d) "hips" aft of doors (exaggerated to GREAT effect on the concept!)
e) semi-vertical vent-like features behind doors, below horizontal side crease
f) sunk-in egg-crate grill with round headlights at the outboard ends (with the planview "V" shape of the grill exaggerated relative to the original, tapered from center to ends, ends raised giving a nice positive and aggressive look, in direct contrast to the Mustang's depressed cryin'-eyes look)

etc, etc...

It's sort of a caricature of the original. But done to VERY good overall effect!

 

It does not look retro to me. To my brother it does. I think his belief stems from the fact that it is a huge shift away from the 4th gens low slung stance. It is more Mustang like in the "uprightness" of the seating position (as opposed to the low 3rd and 4th gen seating accomodations).

I can't wait to buy one.

 

Actually when you see the car in person you'll understand its still low/wide overall, and the seats are still reclined some, but perhaps not right on the floor.

 

Straight from the horse's mouth....

"The DNA of a 1969...."

http://gmtv.feedroom.com/index.jsp?&...0ca6061cf9b190

 

Here's a question: is the new VW Bug retro?

Of course it is. Put one side-by-side with the old one and yeah, the new one will have a modern stance, bigger wheels, sleeker exterior, etc. But there's no denying the new Bug is retro.

Exact same thing with the Camaro concept.

Naturally a design that comes out 40 years later is not going to be an exact carbon copy. To suggest that only that would warrant being called 'retro' is ridiculous.

 

I apologise if it came across in a negative way... it wasn't my intention to criticise Robert, personally. The internet is not an ideal medium, it's just that I was attempting to make sense of his many comments (in other threads) by getting a proper perspective of his mindset and his negative reaction to the concept.

What I was attempting to guage by my question was I don't know how a 2008 Nissan GTR would appeal to Robert given that we've yet to see it in the flesh, yet and the styling of Camaro disappoints him? Anyway, if Robert does work for Nissan, then odds are that a Nissan GTR would be more attractive for him financially... but you're right, I can't make make that assumption.... that's why I directed a question at him.

Again, it's not meant to be an attack on his credibility. Sorry to Robert if he saw it that way. I'd also much prefer to have Robert respond to my post than to refer to him as the third person!

 

I did respond to your original post (middle of page 3).

My reaction to the Camaro concept is pure gut reaction...pure perception only...I don't know what I would have liked better...I was just disappointed to see GM seem to move toward if not hopping on the "retro" bandwagon. That doesn't mean I think it's a "bad" car or that I wouldn't buy one.

I didn't like the C5s when they first came out but I grew to truly like the look and I happen to like the C6 too (although it will have to grow on me a little as well).

I very much plan to see the Camaro in the flesh...probalby Chicago and as I said in another post, I may well like it a lot better after I've seen it in person.

By the same token, I may not like the production GTR once I've driven one but one could make that statement about any car they haven't actually seen in production form let alone driven.

As to how I've decided I like the GTR, based on what I DO know; let's not foget that the Skyline GTR is scheduled for production as a 2008 - we should see in showrooms in about a year and a half or so. While we don't know a lot of specifics; what we do know is encouraging...0-60 times in the 3.8 second range and a top speed well north of 180...as Nissan design has already said, their intent is to outporform the current GTR in every measurement and that's saying something given the car's current performance record.

That aside, I'd say it would be perfectly possible to love both cars, hate both or love one and hate the other...they are two very different vehicles with VERY different styling and mostly, a different customer audiance.

I'm not going to get mad at somebody if they love the Camaro concept and hate the GTR...I'd just like the same level of acceptance.

 

Robert

A great, mature, response. Thank you. We're all entitled to our opinions and that's the reason for an automotive forum. When some pieces of the jigsaw are missing, one tends to ask for more...

As far as I'm concerned everything is peaceful... and that's the way the thread started out, irrespective of how my post was interpreted. It's also great that the concept has evoked so much emotion, IMO. You will get debates when you offer your opionion... and that's what we're having.

Cheers

 

[QUOTE=Doug Harden]Straight from the horse's mouth....

"The DNA of a 1969...."

Not enough DNA for me. I was hoping for a camaro that looked as much like a 69 RS/SS as the new Dodge Challenger concept looks like the original. Sorry GM, that's where my money will probably go and I've been a die hard Chevy guy since the beginning of time. Honestly, I'm having a hard time finding anything in the current Chevy offering that I like at all. BTW, That retro mustang is selling like hotcakes and it's about selling cars and that's all it's about. GM won't abandon millions in market research because a small percentage of us don't like it. But we all know that. Just my $.02
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