I appreciate the apology...thanks.

We've all done it at one time or another!!!

 

All I can say is... thank God the Camaro won't be evaluated in clinics.

You can't please everyone otherwise we'd all be driving the same cars.

I'm sure the true enthusiasts will warm to Camaro.

 

I'm not trying to be an ***, but more trying to make a point.

I think the "2008" Nissan skyline looks like a piece. Actually, more like a slant nosed fish. STYLING IS SUBJECTIVE. Try to criticize a little more constructively... I feel the skyline's greenhouse looks oddly misshapen. I also don't find the rounded-out fenders with the huge duct behind the front wheel complimentary to the design. If there is anything I do like about the car, it would be the hood. Subjectively... it looks a little to round and plump to be a skyline to me.

If we're gonna start... why do you think the car is retro? What about the body lines don't you like? I personally don't like the grill. I am glad that your happy to see the car back, but if you're gonna rag on a car, give us a little more to go on--so we can rag back

 

Well, I wasn’t asking anybody to like or not like the Skyline but thanks for the input.

My first subjective thought when I saw the fist picture of the concept was…”it looks like a ‘1969”.

Whether you love it or hate it, I don’t think anyone could look at the concept and not come to the conclusion that the 1969 Camaro is exactly what the designers wanted people to think of so I don’t know how anyone could say the car isn’t “retro” – I’m not sure there is one accepted definition of what is or isn’t retro but at least in my mind, it doesn’t have to be an exact carbon-copy – identical in every dimension to be “retro”.

Now…in the abstract, looking like the 1969 isn’t necessarily a bad thing…I like the first generation cars but I’m just not sure I’d want to buy one unless I want to buy an original.

As a matter of principal, I suppose I’d have to say that I find the idea of designing cars that look so much like great vehicles of 30 or 40 years ago to reflect a lack of original ideas and, ultimately, doomed to fail.

To me, he Corvette is a great example of what I would have liked GM to do with the Camaro. The C6 is definitely not going to be mistaken for a ’69 yet I don’t think anyone who knows what a Corvette looks like would mistake the C6 for anything other than a ‘Vette.

Yes…styling is subjective and I really don’t want to get into a laundry list of “10 Things I Don’t Like” about the car but you asked for a few specifics so for what they are worth, here are some that come to mind…

I do not like the grill in general (especially since I suspect it would be plastic) or how the hood/grill comes to a point…it reminds me of an “almost” Pontiac front end which just doesn’t seem “right” on a Chevrolet.

I don’t like the look of what I presume are air intakes for brake cooling…if they are functional, great but if they are just there to look like cooling ducts then they should go.

I’d like to see flush headlights the cut wind resistance or hide-away/pop-ups…at least something different that what is in the concept.

I don’t particularly like the “indentation” that runs down the side most of the length of the car – I don’t hate it but I don’t’ like it either…I could live with it if it serves a purpose but if it’s just there to “be there” then I hope it disappears before production.

 

Exactly. When I look at the pictures, I see retro. It doesn't look as retro as the Mustang to me, and it definetly is nowhere near as retro as the xerox copy Challenger, but it still exists in their company as a retro car. I see 69 slathered all over the concept. I don't see how anyone can say the car only has "heritage cues". I thought the C6 Corvette had heritage cues. The C6 certainly is not retro, but it does connect with its past for people who know what to look for in it. I don't need to look very hard at all at the Camaro concept to see the 69 all over it.

I do think the concept does look pretty good (I haven't seen it in person), but I still would have prefered something along the lines of the new Vette, evolution or even fresh, with ties to the past.

 

Robert_Nashville

I believe Nissan have a plant in Tennessee. Are you an employee there? Because if you are, you aren't exactly talking through your heart (I don't believe) its more your wallet.

 

I think you need to see the car in person.

It truly is not retro.

In fact, when it's covered up with a cloth cover, you'd almost think you were looking at a Corvette from the doors back......

It's essentially a new design taking into consideration that the rear seat has to be somewhat more inviting (getting in and out)...and putting quarter windows so that those who spend any time back there will not feel like they're in a cave. (we also know that the back seat is empty over 85% of the time....)

Onto this new design we took Camaro design cues and laid them over the new design.......thus, you can look at it in many pictures and see evidence of the 1969 Camaro. But in person, it does not look like a 69 other than for a few styling cues.

What you can't see in the pictures is the detailing.....the creases in the roof.......for instance, there are three different crease designs.....pictures only show those in the middle.

We know we'll never please everyone. No manufacturer has ever done that and it's doubtful that anyone ever will. But the majority....by a longshot...has spoken....and it has acceptance rates off the charts.

Please.....give it a chance. Go see it if at all possible.

 

I just think it's interesting that some say it is retro, while others say it is definitely not. And I think most of those who say it isn't retro have seen the car in person.

I saw it at NAIAS. I love it. I'd say that it has a certain retro "flair", but it is not even close to being a "carbon" of the 1st Gen, like the Challenger concept. To me, it uses 1st Gen themes and morphs them into a modern shape. That's about the best way I can describe it. It's still sleek, and the lines are much more interesting than Mustang's and even the Challenger concept's.

 

I guess I DON'T see the concept as much RETRO as, heavily 1st gen influenced. There's a LOT of CTS type lines in it, some very subtle around the doors. I see things I don't like as I've said; gas fill location, grille, wide feeling rear...BUT, it has potential. It was BOLD, and creative, and while they hit the most popular gen(subjective, I know..), I wish it had gone more like the C6.
I think it missed the mark on that target, personally.
Retro = No, culmination of ALL gens = No, a futuristic interpretation of a classic = yes.
My suggestion, think tank the C6 again, make some adjustments.

 

Hey Scott, speaking of going to see it in person, what days are you going to be at the Chicago auto show?

 

What about the 2nd, 3rd and 4th gen influences? I can only see 1st gen influences in it (unless you really nitpick), except for the back which has a Corvettish look to it. I would really like to see more of all the generations in the production car, but I am expecting the production car to look over 90% of what the concept looks like.

 

One other thought......the second gen Camaro (and Firebird) were hugely controversial......and I mean hugely.........there's some trace evidence that more people hated the 1970 than liked it in the first year that it was on the market....(and by the way....there were no spy photos of the cars until just before announcement...) .....yet it became the overall champion in terms of sales. (highest volume Camaro year was 1979....282,000 Camaros built.....)

 

I like it, don't get me wrong...just, want the BEST for it, like a family member.
Yeah, I remember, I didn't like the '70 so well when it came out, but by '73 it had grown on me.(Ofcourse, I was too young to drive, tho and my Dad was still driving our '68 SS...) My cousin buying a '70 split bumper, Maroon with Cragars helped a LOT!.

 

I think the worst part about the car is the paint. It seems like every concept car ends up being silver. It would look much cooler with hugger orange and a set of black SS stripes. That would definitely make it look retro, and that would be cool! Also, does anyone else think the concept car kind of resembles the C6 Corvette? Obviously the front is different, but just it's stance, dimensions (even though it is bigger), and those taillights. Anyway, I am happy they finally built the concept, and I can't wait for it to hit production!

 

I think the Camaro is a car you can pull up to the drive thru in Taco Bell and not be embarrassed in. If it passes the Taco Bell test, you know it's a keeper.

But seriously, if it ever gets made you can expect to there to be changes which will probably make the car more to more people's liking. Or not.