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Old Jan 30, 2006 | 04:32 PM
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Disappointment with the Concept

I don’t want to be a wet blanket here but I thought I’d offer an observation for what it’s worth.

I was (and still am) very pleased to see that there is a Camaro concept…nothing would make me happier to see the car brought back. That said, after the initial excitement at the simple fact that there IS a concept, I’ve grown to like the design less and less.

It’s not that I think the design isn’t a good-looking car…I think it is…the source of my dissatisfaction is the lack of originality in the design…disappointment that GM’s designers couldn’t have broken some new ground rather than jumping on the “retro” bandwagon.

Designing a car today that looks so much like the car produced almost 40 years ago just seems like the wrong way to go…I have a feeling that after the initial excitement and acceptance, the manufacturers are going to find that the public will quickly grow tired of the “retro” look.

I don’t dislike the concept…but there is a lot more to the chemistry of “Camaro” than the body lines. I also recognize that much of the car's potential success will depend on many factors, not just the body...I just wish the designers had come up with something unique and fresh while unmistakably a Camaro.

I know that’s a lot to ask for but I think it’s what is needed if the car is going to come back and, more importantly, survive long-term.
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 04:39 PM
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Are you on the same planet as the rest of us?

Say it with us now.... "IT AIN'T RETRO!"

And I think most of the Camaro community would disagree with you.

You'll be seeing a lot of the rear end of that Camaro too from the seat of your Nissan Z. So you'd better get to like it .
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert_Nashville
...I just wish the designers had come up with something unique and fresh while unmistakably a Camaro...
i thought the concept matched these things nicely imo, it doesn't look like a 1st gen hardly anymore than any other camaro generations and even more so when they fix the interior, the only thing i would say is 1st gen about it is the way the front end drops down instead of coming to a point which is a very broad design cue since many cars are like that, they either come to a point or they drop off, i actually prefer it better the way it is, makes it look more agressive (i didn't really care for the 4th gens compared to the other generations)

the boxy look to it is more 3rd gen than anything i think

i think it will look much better in person as everyone says though, going to stop now before i spill off a bunch of stuff that has already been said
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 04:49 PM
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I don't think the designers could have possibly done a better job of coming up with something "unique and fresh yet unmistakably Camaro". The concept is everything a Camaro should be. You want to talk about lack of originality? Look at the 05 Mustang and the new Challenger.

The Camaro concept looks futuristic yet muscular, mean and aggressive. It is what the Camaro should be.
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 04:57 PM
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I'm with ya, I was also disappointed that it came out retro (and for the love of god, those of you saying it's not retro please get your eyes checked).

But I find myself moving in the opposite direction to you: as time has moved on, I find myself liking it more instead of less. I guess that's the way with most things, that once you become accustomed to something you can begin to overlook its shortcomings.

I still won't be buying one, and I still hate that GM didn't have the *****/talent to take a step forward instead of backward, but I can at least appreciate it as a good looking car now.
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 05:04 PM
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Re: Disappointment with the Concept

Originally Posted by 3_z28camaro
Not to be mean or anything but

Nashville why are you here if you do not even own a Camaro, but import Nissan crap boxes? The Camaro is not retro it has heritage, but it is not a carbon copy with a fancy paint job and bigger wheels like the Challenger. Some idiots over on camaros.net do not like it because it is not retro enough, morons.

Go see it in person, if you can, I have heard it makes all the difference.
You dont have to own a Camaro to post on this site... or enjoy it.

But anyways... the car is too retro for me as well. Oh well, GM cant please everybody with one design. It looks too much like a futuristic '69 Camaro to me inside and out. My dad on the other hand said the concept wasnt "retro" enough. Its fitting that I dont like the new retro 'Stang either, which he loves.

It sucks for me cause I was really wanting to get this car when it came out... but now I'll probably be buying a used Vette or an import sports car of some sort.

Hopefully the car does good for GM though...
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 05:06 PM
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Re: Disappointment with the Concept

Originally Posted by 3_z28camaro
Not to be mean or anything but

Nashville why are you here if you do not even own a Camaro, but import Nissan crap boxes? The Camaro is not retro it has heritage, but it is not a carbon copy with a fancy paint job and bigger wheels like the Challenger. Some idiots over on camaros.net do not like it because it is not retro enough, morons.

Go see it in person, if you can, I have heard it makes all the difference.

Shut up.....
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 05:31 PM
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Would all those that say, "its too retro" AND have actually seen it in person, please raise their hands....




... anyone, anyone....




[crickets chirping = on]....



.... [crickets chirping = off]

Old Jan 30, 2006 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
Would all those that say, "its too retro" AND have actually seen it in person, please raise their hands....




... anyone, anyone....




[crickets chirping = on]....



.... [crickets chirping = off]

99% of people who see the concept worldwide will only be able to do so through pictures. I really don't think seeing it in person is going to change my opinion that much. I dont have the resources to travel to one of the auto shows the car will be appearing at, so it looks like I wont be able to see one in person until it hits dealer lots. Until then I have a few videos, pictures and magazine articles. Maybe the design will grow on me with time, but until then...

There are things I do like about the concept... the size and proportions in my opinion are dead on. The chassis looks to be really nice... just not for me.

I dont see why people seem to be offended when someone says they're not taken with the concept. You cant please everyone.
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 05:47 PM
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Re: Disappointment with the Concept

Originally Posted by Z28Marcus
Are you on the same planet as the rest of us?

Say it with us now.... "IT AIN'T RETRO!"

And I think most of the Camaro community would disagree with you.

You'll be seeing a lot of the rear end of that Camaro too from the seat of your Nissan Z. So you'd better get to like it .
Maybe from my stock 2004 350Z but probably not from the next generation Z wich (will certainly out perform the current generation) and I would suepect my Skyline GTR won't have any significant trouble keeping up...at any rate; the fun is in finding out, right???

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Old Jan 30, 2006 | 06:03 PM
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Re: Disappointment with the Concept

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99% of people who see the concept worldwide will only be able to do so through pictures. I really don't think seeing it in person is going to change my opinion that much. I dont have the resources to travel to one of the auto shows the car will be appearing at, so it looks like I wont be able to see one in person until it hits dealer lots. Until then I have a few videos, pictures and magazine articles. Maybe the design will grow on me with time, but until then...

There are things I do like about the concept... the size and proportions in my opinion are dead on. The chassis looks to be really nice... just not for me.

I dont see why people seem to be offended when someone says they're not taken with the concept. You cant please everyone.
Almost everyone that has said "its too retro" after seeing the pictures, has changed their tune after seeing it in person. Almost everyone. (Come to think of it, I can't think of anyone who hasn't changed their tune, except for a few biased lost souls who wouldn't like any Camaro concept.)

That's not to say everyone loves it. However few say "its too retro" after seeing it.
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 06:06 PM
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I think its very modern looking. It has an overall shape and some style that the the origionals had. But the look and the style is very modern. And it looked great in LA.
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 06:09 PM
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Re: Disappointment with the Concept

Originally Posted by 3_z28camaro
Not to be mean or anything but

Nashville why are you here if you do not even own a Camaro, but import Nissan crap boxes? The Camaro is not retro it has heritage, but it is not a carbon copy with a fancy paint job and bigger wheels like the Challenger. Some idiots over on camaros.net do not like it because it is not retro enough, morons.

Go see it in person, if you can, I have heard it makes all the difference.
Well, “Not your normal newbie”;

Perhaps I'm here because I happen to be an enthusiast regardless of the nameplate.

Maybe I’m here because I like Firebird and Camaro “people”; well, most of them anyway.

Maybe I’m here because I’ve owned a few ('73, '76, '79’ and '00) - so maybe I have something to say about Firebird/Camaro “heritage”.

Maybe I just like to talk with other enthusiasts even when they don’t agree with me.
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 06:12 PM
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I admit...I've only seen the pictures so far...I'll probably see it in person in Atlanta and maybe I'll change my mind. If I do change my mind I'll say so!
Old Jan 30, 2006 | 06:14 PM
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Okay I am sorry I misread your post and messed up. I am sorry I said that stuff. I am just going to delete that stuff.



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