Camaro Pricing - Die Hards
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The High Power G8 with be alongside the GTO. Styling will be reworked... You Camaro enthuse may want to step back and wait for arrival before placing your chips.
The previous Pontiac GTO was a spin off from the Australian arm of GM, Holden, which sold a coupe domestically called the Monaro. As Holden is the last bastian of rear wheel drive in the GM empire, attention was focused on the Monaro and it was decided that the car could be brought into the US as the new GTO. A few changes were made, most notably the fuel tank was relocated which ate into trunk space, and the nose was redesigned for a Pontiac look.
But like the Monaro the GTO never really took off. Once everyone who wanted a big coupe had bought one, demand fell way off and the car was discontinued in 2006, when production of the Monaro was stopped. The GTO was also criticized for lacking visual aggression, which didn’t help sales.
Pontiac shifted just 36,427 GTOs over three years when the company had expected 54,000. At one point, due to proposed CAFE standards, the new GTO was almost cancelled, but the GTO’s future is assured, by none other than Bob Lutz, GM’s Vice President.
The new GTO will appear next year, along with the Chevrolet Camaro. As before, the chassis will be from Holden, but this time it’s the new Zeta platform, which debuted in the Australian VE Commodore. The Camaro will also use the Zeta platform, which is exceptionally stiff, which bodes well for handling, Certainly the Holden products drive very well.
The 2009 Pontiac GTO should be available with an entry level 261 horsepower 3.6 liter DOHC V6 and a full on 362 horsepower LS2 6.0 liter V8, the same engines that are available in the Pontiac G8.
One thing’s for sure, the 2009 Pontiac GTO will have much more aggressive styling than the previous model, to emphasize the cars sporty and muscular nature. And thanks to the Zeta platform suspension handling should match the image. Suspension at the front is MacPherson strut, and at the rear is a ‘proper’ multi link suspension rather than the primitive semi trailing arm suspension of the previous GTO. The wheelbase is also longer, giving the car a more stable ride, while the overhangs have been shortened, which should give the car a very sporty look.
There’s some question over whether the car will be built by Holden and exported to the US or whether it will be built in the US. The GTO is being developed in Australia because of Holden’s experience with the Zeta platform, but Bob Lutz says the final decision on the location of assembly will come down to the exchange rate between the Australian and American dollars. You can bet your bottom dollar that the UAW (United Auto Workers union) will be campaigning hard for the car to be built in the US.
The High Power G8 with be alongside the GTO. Styling will be reworked... You Camaro enthuse may want to step back and wait for arrival before placing your chips.
The previous Pontiac GTO was a spin off from the Australian arm of GM, Holden, which sold a coupe domestically called the Monaro. As Holden is the last bastian of rear wheel drive in the GM empire, attention was focused on the Monaro and it was decided that the car could be brought into the US as the new GTO. A few changes were made, most notably the fuel tank was relocated which ate into trunk space, and the nose was redesigned for a Pontiac look.
But like the Monaro the GTO never really took off. Once everyone who wanted a big coupe had bought one, demand fell way off and the car was discontinued in 2006, when production of the Monaro was stopped. The GTO was also criticized for lacking visual aggression, which didn’t help sales.
Pontiac shifted just 36,427 GTOs over three years when the company had expected 54,000. At one point, due to proposed CAFE standards, the new GTO was almost cancelled, but the GTO’s future is assured, by none other than Bob Lutz, GM’s Vice President.
The new GTO will appear next year, along with the Chevrolet Camaro. As before, the chassis will be from Holden, but this time it’s the new Zeta platform, which debuted in the Australian VE Commodore. The Camaro will also use the Zeta platform, which is exceptionally stiff, which bodes well for handling, Certainly the Holden products drive very well.
The 2009 Pontiac GTO should be available with an entry level 261 horsepower 3.6 liter DOHC V6 and a full on 362 horsepower LS2 6.0 liter V8, the same engines that are available in the Pontiac G8.
One thing’s for sure, the 2009 Pontiac GTO will have much more aggressive styling than the previous model, to emphasize the cars sporty and muscular nature. And thanks to the Zeta platform suspension handling should match the image. Suspension at the front is MacPherson strut, and at the rear is a ‘proper’ multi link suspension rather than the primitive semi trailing arm suspension of the previous GTO. The wheelbase is also longer, giving the car a more stable ride, while the overhangs have been shortened, which should give the car a very sporty look.
There’s some question over whether the car will be built by Holden and exported to the US or whether it will be built in the US. The GTO is being developed in Australia because of Holden’s experience with the Zeta platform, but Bob Lutz says the final decision on the location of assembly will come down to the exchange rate between the Australian and American dollars. You can bet your bottom dollar that the UAW (United Auto Workers union) will be campaigning hard for the car to be built in the US.
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I think you should start to read up...just a little...before you start guessing prices, and whatnot....
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It was...but the strongest rumors have the new Z28 pegged as the GT-500 fighter. A wise man once said "Any Chevy can be an SS, but only a Camaro can be a Z28" You follow? Think Corvette ZR-1, instead of Corvette SS...........
Yes...I happen to think, so...yes. After all - when the Transformers DVD came out, the number is what, like 500,000 people called in to the number on the card insert, interested in the new Camaro? And constant auto show reminders when you see the largest crowds around the Camaro platforms?
Most definitely. There are a lot of people who want this car - I can feel it in my bones!
But, see? When has the Charger EVER threatened the Camaro - in what dreams? It's a 4-door road-boat. Nice car, nonetheless - but 35k for a base V8 with no toys is NOT gonna fly.
We are not looking at GM's Charger. (That would be the G8 - which btw, DOES come in under 35k...in fact, you can get yourself into a V8 model with PLENTY of toys for ~31,000 dollars.) We are looking at a Camaro. aka GM's Mustang. So it must be priced accordingly.
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Right. And not enough people can shell out 35+ for a BASE V8 before optioning for GM to make a profit on it. The key is V6 sales - and nobody's going to go into a Chevy showroom if the V8 is priced that high, because, what would that tell you about the V6 prices?? Damn they must be high!
I'm curious, what factors are you using to gauge your guestimate?
I'm using (changed a little from the last time I said this) 3 things:
The G8, the Camaro's closest relative at the moment.
The Mustang, the Camaro's target for sales domination.
--and--
Bob Lutz' comment back in 2006 while doing a comprehensive interview with the Car. He told reporters that ~100,000 units a year is a good route, and a good number to make a business case for the car (aka pleasing the bean-counters). That has not changed.
He also said that the car we're looking at (concept car w/ 400hp, cowl hood, etc) is basically what we're gonna get for our Top model. (I doubt he was speaking about the GT-500 fighter, cause 400hp ain't gonna do the job very easily.) When asked the pricing of these cars - he said, quite frankly, it's too early to tell; but we'd want to keep it in between 20k for the base model V6, and 30k - no more than 31k - for the Hi-end model. (Which would be the ~400hp car)
That's what I'm using as the basis for my estimations. I may be wrong...but I hardly think I am (I can't expect to convince anybody that's true, though, I understand that much)
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And no, GTO's did not sell well at ALL. It was styled after a 9-year old design. One that had run it's course with buyers before it was released, at that.
It was priced much to high - even GM's top brass Bob Lutz has admitted that.
And it was allocated to the wrong portions of the country. The places where people actually wanted them didn't have enough - whereas the places where nobody was really interested had too many. That is a lesson well-learned I think. And one that GM's not apt to make again.
Damn Fine Car.
It was...but the strongest rumors have the new Z28 pegged as the GT-500 fighter. A wise man once said "Any Chevy can be an SS, but only a Camaro can be a Z28" You follow? Think Corvette ZR-1, instead of Corvette SS...........
Most definitely. There are a lot of people who want this car - I can feel it in my bones!
We are not looking at GM's Charger. (That would be the G8 - which btw, DOES come in under 35k...in fact, you can get yourself into a V8 model with PLENTY of toys for ~31,000 dollars.) We are looking at a Camaro. aka GM's Mustang. So it must be priced accordingly.
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No one can say how long it will be produce, what GM will price it at..... But what we can say is how much we are willing to spend.
One on here is willing to turn over $38,000... that tells you some are willing. Always, the lower the better, but currently there are no guarantee to the set price.
One on here is willing to turn over $38,000... that tells you some are willing. Always, the lower the better, but currently there are no guarantee to the set price.
I'm using (changed a little from the last time I said this) 3 things:
The G8, the Camaro's closest relative at the moment.
The Mustang, the Camaro's target for sales domination.
--and--
Bob Lutz' comment back in 2006 while doing a comprehensive interview with the Car. He told reporters that ~100,000 units a year is a good route, and a good number to make a business case for the car (aka pleasing the bean-counters). That has not changed.
He also said that the car we're looking at (concept car w/ 400hp, cowl hood, etc) is basically what we're gonna get for our Top model. (I doubt he was speaking about the GT-500 fighter, cause 400hp ain't gonna do the job very easily.) When asked the pricing of these cars - he said, quite frankly, it's too early to tell; but we'd want to keep it in between 20k for the base model V6, and 30k - no more than 31k - for the Hi-end model. (Which would be the ~400hp car)
That's what I'm using as the basis for my estimations. I may be wrong...but I hardly think I am (I can't expect to convince anybody that's true, though, I understand that much)
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And no, GTO's did not sell well at ALL. It was styled after a 9-year old design. One that had run it's course with buyers before it was released, at that.
It was priced much to high - even GM's top brass Bob Lutz has admitted that.
And it was allocated to the wrong portions of the country. The places where people actually wanted them didn't have enough - whereas the places where nobody was really interested had too many. That is a lesson well-learned I think. And one that GM's not apt to make again.
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Right. And not enough people can shell out 35+ for a BASE V8 before optioning for GM to make a profit on it. The key is V6 sales - and nobody's going to go into a Chevy showroom if the V8 is priced that high, because, what would that tell you about the V6 prices?? Damn they must be high!
I'm curious, what factors are you using to gauge your guestimate?
I'm using (changed a little from the last time I said this) 3 things:
The G8, the Camaro's closest relative at the moment.
The Mustang, the Camaro's target for sales domination.
--and--
Bob Lutz' comment back in 2006 while doing a comprehensive interview with the Car. He told reporters that ~100,000 units a year is a good route, and a good number to make a business case for the car (aka pleasing the bean-counters). That has not changed.
He also said that the car we're looking at (concept car w/ 400hp, cowl hood, etc) is basically what we're gonna get for our Top model. (I doubt he was speaking about the GT-500 fighter, cause 400hp ain't gonna do the job very easily.) When asked the pricing of these cars - he said, quite frankly, it's too early to tell; but we'd want to keep it in between 20k for the base model V6, and 30k - no more than 31k - for the Hi-end model. (Which would be the ~400hp car)
That's what I'm using as the basis for my estimations. I may be wrong...but I hardly think I am (I can't expect to convince anybody that's true, though, I understand that much)
_________________________________________
And no, GTO's did not sell well at ALL. It was styled after a 9-year old design. One that had run it's course with buyers before it was released, at that.
It was priced much to high - even GM's top brass Bob Lutz has admitted that.
Right. And not enough people can shell out 35+ for a BASE V8 before optioning for GM to make a profit on it. The key is V6 sales - and nobody's going to go into a Chevy showroom if the V8 is priced that high, because, what would that tell you about the V6 prices?? Damn they must be high!
I'm curious, what factors are you using to gauge your guestimate?
I'm using (changed a little from the last time I said this) 3 things:
The G8, the Camaro's closest relative at the moment.
The Mustang, the Camaro's target for sales domination.
--and--
Bob Lutz' comment back in 2006 while doing a comprehensive interview with the Car. He told reporters that ~100,000 units a year is a good route, and a good number to make a business case for the car (aka pleasing the bean-counters). That has not changed.
He also said that the car we're looking at (concept car w/ 400hp, cowl hood, etc) is basically what we're gonna get for our Top model. (I doubt he was speaking about the GT-500 fighter, cause 400hp ain't gonna do the job very easily.) When asked the pricing of these cars - he said, quite frankly, it's too early to tell; but we'd want to keep it in between 20k for the base model V6, and 30k - no more than 31k - for the Hi-end model. (Which would be the ~400hp car)
That's what I'm using as the basis for my estimations. I may be wrong...but I hardly think I am (I can't expect to convince anybody that's true, though, I understand that much)
_________________________________________
And no, GTO's did not sell well at ALL. It was styled after a 9-year old design. One that had run it's course with buyers before it was released, at that.
It was priced much to high - even GM's top brass Bob Lutz has admitted that.
That's where the pricing had to be to really begin moving those cars in 04. 05/06 with the 400HP LS2 helped sales but people still weren't paying sticker. So, your 31k number for the high end model (which we're assuming is a 400HP SS with the Z28 coming in as TOP DOG 500+HP) is probably right on the money. That should be for a fully loaded SS; leather, power seats, air/cruise/tilt, 6 disk CD, etc. At least 31k is where it would have to be to not only compete with the Mustang for new buyers, but also to draw some serious attention from the Ford boys when they're looking to get something new.
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The High Power G8 with be alongside the GTO. Styling will be reworked... You Camaro enthuse may want to step back and wait for arrival before placing your chips.
The previous Pontiac GTO was a spin off from the Australian arm of GM, Holden, which sold a coupe domestically called the Monaro. As Holden is the last bastian of rear wheel drive in the GM empire, attention was focused on the Monaro and it was decided that the car could be brought into the US as the new GTO. A few changes were made, most notably the fuel tank was relocated which ate into trunk space, and the nose was redesigned for a Pontiac look.
But like the Monaro the GTO never really took off. Once everyone who wanted a big coupe had bought one, demand fell way off and the car was discontinued in 2006, when production of the Monaro was stopped. The GTO was also criticized for lacking visual aggression, which didn’t help sales.
Pontiac shifted just 36,427 GTOs over three years when the company had expected 54,000. At one point, due to proposed CAFE standards, the new GTO was almost cancelled, but the GTO’s future is assured, by none other than Bob Lutz, GM’s Vice President.
The new GTO will appear next year, along with the Chevrolet Camaro. As before, the chassis will be from Holden, but this time it’s the new Zeta platform, which debuted in the Australian VE Commodore. The Camaro will also use the Zeta platform, which is exceptionally stiff, which bodes well for handling, Certainly the Holden products drive very well.
The 2009 Pontiac GTO should be available with an entry level 261 horsepower 3.6 liter DOHC V6 and a full on 362 horsepower LS2 6.0 liter V8, the same engines that are available in the Pontiac G8.
One thing’s for sure, the 2009 Pontiac GTO will have much more aggressive styling than the previous model, to emphasize the cars sporty and muscular nature. And thanks to the Zeta platform suspension handling should match the image. Suspension at the front is MacPherson strut, and at the rear is a ‘proper’ multi link suspension rather than the primitive semi trailing arm suspension of the previous GTO. The wheelbase is also longer, giving the car a more stable ride, while the overhangs have been shortened, which should give the car a very sporty look.
There’s some question over whether the car will be built by Holden and exported to the US or whether it will be built in the US. The GTO is being developed in Australia because of Holden’s experience with the Zeta platform, but Bob Lutz says the final decision on the location of assembly will come down to the exchange rate between the Australian and American dollars. You can bet your bottom dollar that the UAW (United Auto Workers union) will be campaigning hard for the car to be built in the US.
The High Power G8 with be alongside the GTO. Styling will be reworked... You Camaro enthuse may want to step back and wait for arrival before placing your chips.
The previous Pontiac GTO was a spin off from the Australian arm of GM, Holden, which sold a coupe domestically called the Monaro. As Holden is the last bastian of rear wheel drive in the GM empire, attention was focused on the Monaro and it was decided that the car could be brought into the US as the new GTO. A few changes were made, most notably the fuel tank was relocated which ate into trunk space, and the nose was redesigned for a Pontiac look.
But like the Monaro the GTO never really took off. Once everyone who wanted a big coupe had bought one, demand fell way off and the car was discontinued in 2006, when production of the Monaro was stopped. The GTO was also criticized for lacking visual aggression, which didn’t help sales.
Pontiac shifted just 36,427 GTOs over three years when the company had expected 54,000. At one point, due to proposed CAFE standards, the new GTO was almost cancelled, but the GTO’s future is assured, by none other than Bob Lutz, GM’s Vice President.
The new GTO will appear next year, along with the Chevrolet Camaro. As before, the chassis will be from Holden, but this time it’s the new Zeta platform, which debuted in the Australian VE Commodore. The Camaro will also use the Zeta platform, which is exceptionally stiff, which bodes well for handling, Certainly the Holden products drive very well.
The 2009 Pontiac GTO should be available with an entry level 261 horsepower 3.6 liter DOHC V6 and a full on 362 horsepower LS2 6.0 liter V8, the same engines that are available in the Pontiac G8.
One thing’s for sure, the 2009 Pontiac GTO will have much more aggressive styling than the previous model, to emphasize the cars sporty and muscular nature. And thanks to the Zeta platform suspension handling should match the image. Suspension at the front is MacPherson strut, and at the rear is a ‘proper’ multi link suspension rather than the primitive semi trailing arm suspension of the previous GTO. The wheelbase is also longer, giving the car a more stable ride, while the overhangs have been shortened, which should give the car a very sporty look.
There’s some question over whether the car will be built by Holden and exported to the US or whether it will be built in the US. The GTO is being developed in Australia because of Holden’s experience with the Zeta platform, but Bob Lutz says the final decision on the location of assembly will come down to the exchange rate between the Australian and American dollars. You can bet your bottom dollar that the UAW (United Auto Workers union) will be campaigning hard for the car to be built in the US.
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hasn't Scott said that the $35,000 WS6 outsold any other Fbody? (within the 98-02 run) or was it just the Trasn Am that it outsold? I forget which, but the sad fact is, even though it was priced the highest for an Fbody (all Firebirds cost more than the Camaro counterparts) it sold the most. So basing any Camaro figures on Firebirds is a mute point as they were never priced the same.
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The Camaro were lower in pricing than that of the Firebirds based on any models. Thus, the Camaro made the sales. You will see more V6 Firebirds than you will Trans Am.
All in all, I believe the price needs to be proper to make the sales.
Many do careless and will Kamikazi into the purchase.
All in all, I believe the price needs to be proper to make the sales.
Many do careless and will Kamikazi into the purchase.
hasn't Scott said that the $35,000 WS6 outsold any other Fbody? (within the 98-02 run) or was it just the Trasn Am that it outsold? I forget which, but the sad fact is, even though it was priced the highest for an Fbody (all Firebirds cost more than the Camaro counterparts) it sold the most. So basing any Camaro figures on Firebirds is a mute point as they were never priced the same.
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Hey Dude! Very well response. From the thread, we can pretty much tell what people are willing to pay.
Not only will the Camaro compete with the Mustangs for ownership, but it will compete with many other (V6). There are many V6 Stang owners who made the purchase based on shell appeal.
I definitely believe they will sell well. I think if you are looking for one-of-a-kind street ownership, you may be out of luck. I am not very certain how we will feel with so many on the road though. I can bet my chips that it will have equal or even more sales than the Mustang if the price fell in the same range.
Let's cross our fingers for the proper pricing.......
Not only will the Camaro compete with the Mustangs for ownership, but it will compete with many other (V6). There are many V6 Stang owners who made the purchase based on shell appeal.
I definitely believe they will sell well. I think if you are looking for one-of-a-kind street ownership, you may be out of luck. I am not very certain how we will feel with so many on the road though. I can bet my chips that it will have equal or even more sales than the Mustang if the price fell in the same range.
Let's cross our fingers for the proper pricing.......
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The Trans Am probably out sold ..... I don't believe there were more production of the WS6 than that of the regular TA. People went for the TA, reason being is that it was cheaper to strap on a hood. Hell man, it was cheaper for me to go with regular TA and strap on an actual OEM hood.
All factory built is the way to go though.
From the images that I have seen, it looks as though the Camaro will have the airbox sitting to the left where the headlight is at. Thus, the slit is just for looks. I'm sure that manufactures will custom mold a hood that directly feeds.
All factory built is the way to go though.
From the images that I have seen, it looks as though the Camaro will have the airbox sitting to the left where the headlight is at. Thus, the slit is just for looks. I'm sure that manufactures will custom mold a hood that directly feeds.
hasn't Scott said that the $35,000 WS6 outsold any other Fbody? (within the 98-02 run) or was it just the Trasn Am that it outsold? I forget which, but the sad fact is, even though it was priced the highest for an Fbody (all Firebirds cost more than the Camaro counterparts) it sold the most. So basing any Camaro figures on Firebirds is a mute point as they were never priced the same.
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Matthew, there WAS more production of WS6 than regular TA.
From 2000-2002 the majority of Firebirds were WS6 Trans Ams. There were 3 times as many WS6 models as base Trans Ams made in 2001 and 2002. And Trans Ams outsold V6 birds 2-1 in 2002.
Since it was known the end was near, high end V8 models started to dominate production on both Camaro and Firebird the last few years.
From 2000-2002 the majority of Firebirds were WS6 Trans Ams. There were 3 times as many WS6 models as base Trans Ams made in 2001 and 2002. And Trans Ams outsold V6 birds 2-1 in 2002.
Since it was known the end was near, high end V8 models started to dominate production on both Camaro and Firebird the last few years.