Camaro Pricing - Die Hards
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Matthew, there WAS more production of WS6 than regular TA.
From 2000-2002 the majority of Firebirds were WS6 Trans Ams. There were 3 times as many WS6 models as base Trans Ams made in 2001 and 2002. And Trans Ams outsold V6 birds 2-1 in 2002.
Since it was known the end was near, high end V8 models started to dominate production on both Camaro and Firebird the last few years.
From 2000-2002 the majority of Firebirds were WS6 Trans Ams. There were 3 times as many WS6 models as base Trans Ams made in 2001 and 2002. And Trans Ams outsold V6 birds 2-1 in 2002.
Since it was known the end was near, high end V8 models started to dominate production on both Camaro and Firebird the last few years.
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I think you should start to read up...just a little...before you start guessing prices, and whatnot....
Damn Fine Car.
It was...but the strongest rumors have the new Z28 pegged as the GT-500 fighter. A wise man once said "Any Chevy can be an SS, but only a Camaro can be a Z28" You follow? Think Corvette ZR-1, instead of Corvette SS...........
Yes...I happen to think, so...yes. After all - when the Transformers DVD came out, the number is what, like 500,000 people called in to the number on the card insert, interested in the new Camaro? And constant auto show reminders when you see the largest crowds around the Camaro platforms?
Most definitely. There are a lot of people who want this car - I can feel it in my bones!
But, see? When has the Charger EVER threatened the Camaro - in what dreams? It's a 4-door road-boat. Nice car, nonetheless - but 35k for a base V8 with no toys is NOT gonna fly.
We are not looking at GM's Charger. (That would be the G8 - which btw, DOES come in under 35k...in fact, you can get yourself into a V8 model with PLENTY of toys for ~31,000 dollars.) We are looking at a Camaro. aka GM's Mustang. So it must be priced accordingly.
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Right. And not enough people can shell out 35+ for a BASE V8 before optioning for GM to make a profit on it. The key is V6 sales - and nobody's going to go into a Chevy showroom if the V8 is priced that high, because, what would that tell you about the V6 prices?? Damn they must be high!
I'm curious, what factors are you using to gauge your guestimate?
I'm using (changed a little from the last time I said this) 3 things:
The G8, the Camaro's closest relative at the moment.
The Mustang, the Camaro's target for sales domination.
--and--
Bob Lutz' comment back in 2006 while doing a comprehensive interview with the Car. He told reporters that ~100,000 units a year is a good route, and a good number to make a business case for the car (aka pleasing the bean-counters). That has not changed.
He also said that the car we're looking at (concept car w/ 400hp, cowl hood, etc) is basically what we're gonna get for our Top model. (I doubt he was speaking about the GT-500 fighter, cause 400hp ain't gonna do the job very easily.) When asked the pricing of these cars - he said, quite frankly, it's too early to tell; but we'd want to keep it in between 20k for the base model V6, and 30k - no more than 31k - for the Hi-end model. (Which would be the ~400hp car)
That's what I'm using as the basis for my estimations. I may be wrong...but I hardly think I am (I can't expect to convince anybody that's true, though, I understand that much)
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And no, GTO's did not sell well at ALL. It was styled after a 9-year old design. One that had run it's course with buyers before it was released, at that.
It was priced much to high - even GM's top brass Bob Lutz has admitted that.
And it was allocated to the wrong portions of the country. The places where people actually wanted them didn't have enough - whereas the places where nobody was really interested had too many. That is a lesson well-learned I think. And one that GM's not apt to make again.
Damn Fine Car.
It was...but the strongest rumors have the new Z28 pegged as the GT-500 fighter. A wise man once said "Any Chevy can be an SS, but only a Camaro can be a Z28" You follow? Think Corvette ZR-1, instead of Corvette SS...........
Yes...I happen to think, so...yes. After all - when the Transformers DVD came out, the number is what, like 500,000 people called in to the number on the card insert, interested in the new Camaro? And constant auto show reminders when you see the largest crowds around the Camaro platforms?
Most definitely. There are a lot of people who want this car - I can feel it in my bones!
But, see? When has the Charger EVER threatened the Camaro - in what dreams? It's a 4-door road-boat. Nice car, nonetheless - but 35k for a base V8 with no toys is NOT gonna fly.
We are not looking at GM's Charger. (That would be the G8 - which btw, DOES come in under 35k...in fact, you can get yourself into a V8 model with PLENTY of toys for ~31,000 dollars.) We are looking at a Camaro. aka GM's Mustang. So it must be priced accordingly.
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Right. And not enough people can shell out 35+ for a BASE V8 before optioning for GM to make a profit on it. The key is V6 sales - and nobody's going to go into a Chevy showroom if the V8 is priced that high, because, what would that tell you about the V6 prices?? Damn they must be high!
I'm curious, what factors are you using to gauge your guestimate?
I'm using (changed a little from the last time I said this) 3 things:
The G8, the Camaro's closest relative at the moment.
The Mustang, the Camaro's target for sales domination.
--and--
Bob Lutz' comment back in 2006 while doing a comprehensive interview with the Car. He told reporters that ~100,000 units a year is a good route, and a good number to make a business case for the car (aka pleasing the bean-counters). That has not changed.
He also said that the car we're looking at (concept car w/ 400hp, cowl hood, etc) is basically what we're gonna get for our Top model. (I doubt he was speaking about the GT-500 fighter, cause 400hp ain't gonna do the job very easily.) When asked the pricing of these cars - he said, quite frankly, it's too early to tell; but we'd want to keep it in between 20k for the base model V6, and 30k - no more than 31k - for the Hi-end model. (Which would be the ~400hp car)
That's what I'm using as the basis for my estimations. I may be wrong...but I hardly think I am (I can't expect to convince anybody that's true, though, I understand that much)
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And no, GTO's did not sell well at ALL. It was styled after a 9-year old design. One that had run it's course with buyers before it was released, at that.
It was priced much to high - even GM's top brass Bob Lutz has admitted that.
And it was allocated to the wrong portions of the country. The places where people actually wanted them didn't have enough - whereas the places where nobody was really interested had too many. That is a lesson well-learned I think. And one that GM's not apt to make again.
Well I'm new to this pricing game I've not been involved with the Camaro since 2002 when they went out of production. It broke my heart! Anyway I will tell you this if in fact the High end 400hp is somewhere around $30-31k I will get an instant ROD!! Sorry for the graphic description but it's true. I was thinking it would be a little higher than that so either way I won't be disappointed. I mean if it turns out to be a little higher I'm ok with it and if it is in fact the 30-31 range all the better. I've been waiting for 6 years for this freaking car 7 by the time it comes out so I'm not going to let something like $3-4k difference in price kill my dream! Just my opinion.
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Your Cobalt
Yah.... I guess I'm wrong.... on the LS1.com board, it seems like the majority all have the regular TA and hood them up. My assumption came from there and I didn't want to take the time to find the figures.
2002 of course... that's the reason I purchased my 2001 (the last chance thing).
I see that your signature shows a Cobalt....... I spoke to a Chevy salesman once where he told me that your fully loaded Cobalt can take a Porsche... or at least his did. He spoke honestly about it. You think it can?
My wife drives a Saturn L200...... honestly I feel that it's a really good car and accelerates super well for a inline 4.
2002 of course... that's the reason I purchased my 2001 (the last chance thing).
I see that your signature shows a Cobalt....... I spoke to a Chevy salesman once where he told me that your fully loaded Cobalt can take a Porsche... or at least his did. He spoke honestly about it. You think it can?
My wife drives a Saturn L200...... honestly I feel that it's a really good car and accelerates super well for a inline 4.
Matthew, there WAS more production of WS6 than regular TA.
From 2000-2002 the majority of Firebirds were WS6 Trans Ams. There were 3 times as many WS6 models as base Trans Ams made in 2001 and 2002. And Trans Ams outsold V6 birds 2-1 in 2002.
Since it was known the end was near, high end V8 models started to dominate production on both Camaro and Firebird the last few years.
From 2000-2002 the majority of Firebirds were WS6 Trans Ams. There were 3 times as many WS6 models as base Trans Ams made in 2001 and 2002. And Trans Ams outsold V6 birds 2-1 in 2002.
Since it was known the end was near, high end V8 models started to dominate production on both Camaro and Firebird the last few years.
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The T-Tops Like no other!
Nice Buddy! There will be no others like our Vehicles with the one of a kind T Tops.... that's the best best future man! They don't shred up like a convertiable top!!!! More than that, they look alot like the Corvettes of back then.
Some guy mentioned holding out for an F5 I looked on the net and couldn't find anything on it..... you know what he is referring to?
By the way, you have ownership of so many black vehicles, don't you get tire of that color?
How you like the commericals for the new Knight Rider Stang hahahaah. They have played the commercial so man time, I think I will have to watch it this Sunday despite the criticism hahaha!
Some guy mentioned holding out for an F5 I looked on the net and couldn't find anything on it..... you know what he is referring to?
By the way, you have ownership of so many black vehicles, don't you get tire of that color?
How you like the commericals for the new Knight Rider Stang hahahaah. They have played the commercial so man time, I think I will have to watch it this Sunday despite the criticism hahaha!
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Nice Buddy! There will be no others like our Vehicles with the one of a kind T Tops.... that's the best best future man! They don't shred up like a convertiable top!!!! More than that, they look alot like the Corvettes of back then.
Some guy mentioned holding out for an F5 I looked on the net and couldn't find anything on it..... you know what he is referring to?
By the way, you have ownership of so many black vehicles, don't you get tire of that color?
How you like the commericals for the new Knight Rider Stang hahahaah. They have played the commercial so man time, I think I will have to watch it this Sunday despite the criticism hahaha!
Some guy mentioned holding out for an F5 I looked on the net and couldn't find anything on it..... you know what he is referring to?
By the way, you have ownership of so many black vehicles, don't you get tire of that color?
How you like the commericals for the new Knight Rider Stang hahahaah. They have played the commercial so man time, I think I will have to watch it this Sunday despite the criticism hahaha!
)Yeah, I'm tired of Black. All the damned Pollen down here, this past week my car has been more YELLOW than black.
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Oh, and I think you asked about Active Fuel Management earlier...that's what I keep hearing it'll have...
EDIT: oops! darn lag-time
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The 2005-2007 Cobalt SS Supercharged and upcoming 2008 SS Turbocharged can probably run with some Porsche models.
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Mustang Fastback
Someone on here stated that "they'll hold their breath for an F5" rather than a Camaro or the Challenger..... Looking for an F5...... a Mustang Fastback came up..... or are they saying that Mustang will revert to the look of the Fastback of yester years?
Hmmmmmm....
Hmmmmmm....
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WS6 Rides
Hey Christian... here are images of my rides. I never own a Red one, so when I was single, I went for it. I don't know of how many.... but I have always felt that sports car should have loud colors. My silver Trans Am looks just like another vehicle on the road........
Check these out if you have never seen them:
Check these out if you have never seen them:
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Volk Rims
Boyd Smoothie II's are pefect for most TAs, especially your balck one. The Volk rims are also fitting. Volks wood be good on the new Camaros.
Are you planning to purchase one of these Camaros?
Are you planning to purchase one of these Camaros?
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Both of these points are purely speculation. First off, the spy shots that we've seen of the engine bay appear to have a V6 in it. So the opening in the front fascia may not be functional in that model but it still has the potential to be functional in the V8 application(s) or even in the final V6 application(s). At this point, we just don't know whether or not the vents anywhere on the Camaro will be functional or not.
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Bright Colors
Thanks for the 411..... I heard it mentioned before that it's a V6... how did you guys tell? I didn't look close enough at the engine to tell from the spy pics.
I see you are saving up for one of these Camaros... you sure you want to go with plain black? This vehicle looks appealing in all the bright colors.
I see you are saving up for one of these Camaros... you sure you want to go with plain black? This vehicle looks appealing in all the bright colors.