I haven't seen prices that low on Corvettes. If I can get a Corvette at the same price as a top dog Camaro or lower, I'm going to have to take a hard look at the Corvette.

 

This has been beat to death before, but I'll jump in again anyway.

Folks, the Camaro will compete w/ the Mustang at all performance levels AND price levels. Period. If there is a GT500 w/ a sticker in the low 40's in MY2010, you can bet that GM will have Camaro to deal w/ it in MY2011 (keep in mind the markups on these cars, and expect the same for Camaro). The fact that you could get a Corvette for the same money is irellevant. EVERY buyer who has bought a GT500 could have had a Corvette for less money, and yet they bought the GT500 anyway, because they wanted....A GT500!!

The Camaro has co-existed w/ Corvette for 35 years, and in several of those years, you could get a top level Camaro w/ more power than a base Corvette, sometimes the prices have even been very close. This is nothing new.

If people want a 500hp Camaro, they will get one, just like the folks that want 500hp Mustangs (and pay very close to Z06 money to get them). The folks that want a Corvette will get a Corvette.

 

Man!

I don't care from what has been mentioned in the past about the pricing of this Camaro line in regards to parallel competition with the Mustangs. If you take what was stated in the past and place your bets, you probably will be very disappointed!

The current reality is that the Canadian plant will not be manufacturing the other 8 bangers RWD vehicles that GM had planned for. Based on the new environmental regulations, the manufactures have to readjust their plans.

If you don't even know it, Ford and many other manufs. have been hit hard last year based on the economy and rising fuel prices. Many plants have closed down. Many dealership have wrapped up. I noticed one of the biggest consumer/commercial Ford dealership over here in Southern California closed yesterday.

I purchased my Trans Am in 2001 for $33,000, thus, your top of the line Camaro will come in higher than that today. We are not even speaking about other related taxes involved with the vehicle say the government may impose an 8 banger tax in the future.

If they drop their other lines in Canada and just build the Camaro out of that plant...... would you bet your life on them not pricing in the cost factor and the lost of product to make up for the difference? The Mustangs are continuos production out of Ford existing plants..........Camaro are new production as whole.. that's the biggest difference.

I predict that production for Camaro will not last long, and the price for those vehicle will be through the roof. Either way, GM is at a lost here. Through the long haul, they will phase the 8 bangers out as a whole.

If you want a Camaro, you better save up big time now for they will be rare.

I was looking forward to making a purchase on one of these Camaros, but with the way things are going, I'm somewhat disappointed. I think if you over paid for one of these vehicles based on attraction, you will be at a lost.

 

The ZL1 ENGINE was $4,150.00. Add in the car and it was $7,200. That's $2,500 more than the base price of a 1969 Corvette coupe.

That's about $40,677.45 in today's dollars according to the Bureau of Labor and Statistics inflation calculator.

 

Any car bought as an investment isn't a good deal. Maybe a few Shelbys and maybe the Cuda but if you have taken the money it cost to buy these classic cars back in the late 60's and early 70's and invested in the stock market you would have made a lot more money. Cars aren't good investments unless they are something you want. Don't buy for someone down the road or it will probably be you taking a huge loss.

 

So, from what I'm seeing here, if they want to sell a *hitload of Camaros from the get go, they need the following to happen:

V6 280-300HP 22k
V8 350-400HP 28k
V8 450+HP 32k

So what have ya'll been smokin cause I want some.

I'm guessing they sell a reasonable amount instead at more like:

V6 280-300HP 26k
V8 370-420HP 33k
V8 450+HP 38k

 

I wouldn't blame GM for pricing it higher than the Mustang given the fact that they had to cancel other vehicles that would depend on that platform. But if they price the Canadian ones a lot higher than the U.S. ones I'll stick to doing my engine swap on my 4th gen. Already sold the motor. Gathering parts as we speak.

 

Didn't that traditionally happen because the the dollar exchange rate? For the longest time, the USD was worth 1.30-1.50 CAD. Now that they're about on par, I don't see how the MSRPs would be that different.

 

You're exactly correct - GM is screwing us Canadians. Go to www.gmcanada.com and www.gm.com and compare. There is no reason why the MSRP's should be any different between the two countries.

 

As much as we want to deny it, I think this man hit the nail on the head.

 

We are certainly aware of the Zeta situation, the Canadian dollar vs. US $$$ for production costs and the CAFE rules and what that means for V8's. However, these are issues that GM must work out not us. What I mean by this is GM made a decision to build this car and at Oshawa, they also made the decision to put the other Zeta's on hold and then the CAFE issues we're not all that unexpected to them.
But in order for this Camaro to be a successful brand and a strong seller it must be priced like its competition. Period!

Now before we get into a debate on how that conceivably won't happen.

Let me remind people that not every GM brand or model makes money there are some that have to be carried by other models. There are also accounting ways of disbursing loses for one model across the lines that are profitable. GM trucks have really carried the car lines for quite some time, but that’s a broad look and there are certainly exceptions.
So GM will do everything they can to minimize the losses if there are any and determine how much they want to invest in what has become an image car for Chevy to make it survive because of the excitement it brings to the brand and GM. Not every person whom walks into the Chevy dealer to see the Camaro will buy one but maybe they will buy a Malibu or an Aveo. The Camaro has also been the star of a major movie with a reported sequel on the way. The Camaro helps to energize the lagging car lineup and is a media and auto show darling.

Now this is all contingent on the Camaro being a sales success. GM accounting can do some creative math if they can sell enough units to justify the costs. It’s been done before but only if the car is worth it and that's not yet known.

One thing we must also consider is that GM has remained comitted to building this car with all the issues listed and they have not waivered as far as we know. We know that have no issue dropping vehicle lines but for them to continue on shows that while they do have a lot invested they must feel that the car will be succesful enough to continue.

 

All I can say is that I have been hoping for a LS3 package at or below 33k

If things start going above that, I dont know if I am still in the market.

 

All I can say is, IF a Z28 comes in near $40K, they'll have priced me out of buying one "new".
If I were one to pay $40K for a sportscar, I'd buy one with way more to offer inside and out...this is not the mission statement that has been Camaro.

A Corvette would be a no-brainer...

 

However after doing some more reading it seems like the L76 is basically an LS2 with Active Fuel Management, so Id be cool with that for $500 more than a similarly equipped mustang.

That put you somewhere around 28-30k for a decently equipped model.

 

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. I knew $4,000 was involved in the price, just forgot that it was the motor itself that cost that much.