They can't price it too high or they'll miss the young generation. I think the BMW 1 series starts at ~$29k! Whether we argue about it or not, I don't think we can influence how GM prices it. Besides, they understand the market a lot better than we do.

 

we'll pay about $55k for the top "dawg", optioned out...
I base this on 2002 pricing (~43k) and the cost appreciation over several years...

 

Agreed...and another thing, just to reiterate your point...how many times has Scott and/or GM said that the Camaro will be priced very closely to a similarly equipped Mustang...So, keeping in mind that we only KNOW that GM will offer V6 and V8 models, it will have IRS, and your option of A6 or M6, (among a few other details) it's almost pointless to throw around numbers...because at the end of the day...we DON'T know what the Camaro is going to sticker for.

But, if the base V8 doesn't sticker below $30,000 they won't just lose sales...the Camaro could go on permanent 'hiatus'...We all know this...and more importantly GM knows this, too. There is too much riding on the entire Camaro program for GM to let it fail. So, I say (and many of you may not care what I say) let's just trust that they're going to do what's best for them AND us.

 

i think the ls3 would be 30-35k fully loaded

 

Odd, the Shelbys have sold well enough that Ford is going to continue making them. Ford said from the onset that they would produce the Shelby as long as the demand was there.

 

They sell but not as well as the GT or the Cobra. If Ford only had the Shelby for a performance model, the volume in sales would hardly be worth the trouble.

 

There HAS to be a V8 (whatever it is) for under 30k. There HAS to be.

For all the afore mentioned reasons -
Compete with the Mustang
Appeal to younger buyers.
Compete with the Mustang
Keep the Camaro standing as being an affordable muscle car
Compete with the Musang
Did I say compete with the Mustang???

That's really all there is to it.

 

Well the GT is the entry level perf car so it stands to reason it would outsell the GT500, 03 Cobra production didn't out pace GT500 production in coupe form (8394 terminators vs. 8150 GT500) there was a difference in Vert numbers (5082 vs. 2694) 04 production number plumetted to 5,637 total units. It'll be a long wait till 08 GT500 totals come out, but I'd say the GT500 isn't the flop your making it out to be. IMO it would have done better if the ADMs hadn't pushed them out of the price range for alot of people (no bull****, when I picked up my 07 GT, the Ford dealer was bitching about **** poor sales, I asked about the GT500, and with a straight face and **** eating grin, he told me 65,000 for the coupe - I told him I'd be back when the Challenger and Camaro hit, ought to be some good deals on forced induction Mustangs around '10 or '11 - of course this is all moot since I've since found dealers who charge MSRP and a bit over invoice for the GT500).

It will be interesting to see the ADMs on the F5 - the GM dealer in my area stickered the Z06 for 91,000. The same dealer in the early 90's stuck a 10k ADM on the 3rd gen RX-7 when it came out as well. I'd bet my 401k(well not really) that a loaded F5 will be 40k+ there.

 

Never did I say that the Shelby was a flop. The car was always supposed be a limited production car. My point is that whatever products the F5 platform delivers, you want to see sales volume.

 

I dont know how many of you know about "slickdeals.net" but im addicted to that site. The reason i bring this up, is because about 8 months ago one of the deals was a dealer selling 2007 C6 corvettes brand new for $39,500 +ttl, $500 shipped to any dealer in the US.

I know generally they can be more, but that means you could get a brand new C6 vette for $5000 LESS then a new maro?????

Point: The new maro will not have an MSRP that high period

 

You're referencing a C6 being sold at ~$3000 under invoice as evidence that a Camaro supercar couldn't possibly be priced higher, at MSRP?

Isn't that why the site is so aptly named 'slick deals'?

 

Wasn't the 1969 ZL1 or COPO Camaro like $1,500 more than a SS? Figure in inflation $4,500 in 1969 was STEEP for a car. Weren't 1969 Vette's around that price? If that holds true, why WOULDN'T the top dog Camaro cost at least $44k? I would be SHOCKED if any sell for under$48k (plus Stealer markup) I've seen Shelby's selling with a $25k markup OVER the MSRP. If you are holding out for the Top Dog, you better be holding a thick wallet too.

 

ZL1 doubled the price of a new base Camaro! But then again, I believe the same can be said about the new Mustang KR500.

 

Ford makes more profit on the GT500 than any other car they sell, I think I read $12k+ per GT500. That's not even including what the dealers are getting with their outrageous markups. And their selling everyone they can make! What's funny is they have a red stripe option coming out for an extra $1500 or some crap, Ford has it down to a science on this car for extracting every penny they can possibly get. What's sad is Chevy is having a hard time selling a comparably priced Corvette( base model's are going for under $40k) which would kill the GT500 in every performance category. I don't get it?

 

I think what you have is FoMoCo marketing these cars as 'highly collectable limited editions'...without mentioning that they are only limited to how many they can sell.

People look at how much a 1968 GT500 is worth and figure, twenty years from now, they can put their kids through college. It's the "Death of Superman" syndrome for the upper-middle class.