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Old Apr 10, 2008 | 10:27 AM
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Buying an SS or waiting for Z28?

Assuming the Nurburgring Camaro is an “SS” equipped NA V8 displacing around 6.2L and having 400ish hp, and assuming upgraded performance parts (like the Brembo brakes) will be either standard or optional and it will be priced about the same as similarly equipped “sporty” coupes from the competition:

1. Do you still want to purchase a “Z28” version if the only major difference will be a supercharged V8 pushing 500+hp?

2. How much would you be willing to pay over the “SS”?

3. How long will you be willing to wait?

Discuss.
Old Apr 10, 2008 | 10:32 AM
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1. Do you still want to purchase a “Z28” version if the only major difference will be a supercharged V8 pushing 500+hp?
Yes.
2. How much would you be willing to pay over the “SS”?
$5000 - $8000
3. How long will you be willing to wait?
12-18 months... if I know its still on by this time next year... otherwise, all bets are off.
Old Apr 10, 2008 | 10:59 AM
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< jg simulation lately> Ohhhh, another SS Z/28 thread? Haven't we had enough of these?
How can we even have this or any discussion on the 2010 Camaro when we don't know squat . You're giving me a headache whenever I open one of your threads just to say it gives me a headache. /<jg simulation>

j/k, but you had that coming there bud.


Anyways, there will be big differences between the SS and Z/28. In powertrain, suspension, cosmetics - everything. A specific team has been tasked to develop the Z/28.

I'll wait and pay more for it, assuming - well - weight is under control.

Here's another question though, and maybe one which is more relevant to the Camaro Team. If a lower powered and less expensive V8 version of the Camaro were available (either in 6.0L or 6.2L), would that hurt the sales success of the Camaro SS?

That's what Chevy wants to know.

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Old Apr 10, 2008 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
Here's another question though, and maybe one which is more relevant to the Camaro Team. If a lower powered and less expensive V8 version of the Camaro were available (either in 6.0L or 6.2L), would that hurt the sales success of the Camaro SS?

That's what Chevy wants to know.
Do we really need 3 V8s in the Camaro line-up?
Old Apr 10, 2008 | 11:32 AM
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I'm grabbing the SS assuming it comes in (as bare-bones as possible) at around 28,000.

Now my next question is an answer to Charlie's question (and perhaps to the Camaro team, as well ):
How much cheaper would it be?

The way I see it, if a V8, lets say L76 for argument's sake, was offered at 25,000 - as opposed to an LS3 SS at ~28-29,000 - it would definitely take sales away from the SS. Because you're not talking about THAT much of a power disparity. Plus, people will see it as more fuel economical, because it has less hp. And we've all seen what the L76 can do in the G8; Put that in a lighter car, and I don't think any of your average buyers would be disappointed with it's performance. I think it would be a no-brainer to buy that one over the SS, unless you're a hardcore enthusiast like oursleves who just can't afford the beast that is the Z28

Now, if this hypothetical lower-powered V8 was only a couple grand cheaper, like 27,000...I think most buyers would opt for the 'SS'. That's would be a hell of a bargain, at least imho it would be.

In my VERY humble opinion, if there's any thought of offering 2 'mainstream' V8 choices; instead they should just cheapen the SS's price a little bit, and only offer that as a V8 below the Z28. At 400 hp, 26mpg (with AFM presumably), and say 27,000 dollars: people will be screaming for it over a Mustang. Then have the DI V6 for about 24,000, and then offer the Turbo DI I4 for 21,000 dollars.

I'm no bean-counter, but that makes the MOST sense to me, looking at the market.

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Old Apr 10, 2008 | 11:43 AM
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I'm either getting the Z/28 "Top Dawg" edition or the Convertible SS edition

I'm willing to pay about $40,000 (about means 39-41K not 45-50K)

Either way I want one before my 24th birthday (I turned 22 3 days ago)....and when I do get one I'm not willing to pay any sort of "dealer market adjustment"
Old Apr 10, 2008 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
1. Do you still want to purchase a “Z28” version if the only major difference will be a supercharged V8 pushing 500+hp?
I could not be less interested in a supercharged Camaro, ESPECIALLY a supercharged Z/28.

Originally Posted by jg95z28
2. How much would you be willing to pay over the “SS”?
I'm willing to pay $40K to get the car I want. Any more than that and I may as well find a lightly used C6 ZO6.

Originally Posted by jg95z28
3. How long will you be willing to wait?
2012 model year
Old Apr 10, 2008 | 12:49 PM
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Never wanted the Z28 version. Too much $$$. 400HP is more than I need to hurt myself. I'm now debating on whether or not I even want to buy a brand new car or get a used one. I guess to put it simply, 28K or so I will most likely buy new, 30K+, no way. At the very least, I will wait for incentives or 0% which I fully understand may not be available until 2010.
Old Apr 10, 2008 | 12:53 PM
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I'm going to be getting the SS. I don't think I'll be able to afford the Z/28.
Old Apr 10, 2008 | 01:42 PM
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Why all the recovered speculation, if we are gonna guess at everything, I guess I will buy the Z28, but I still haven't seen any variation of the model from Pre-pro's and the concept which make me decide either way. Gimmie the POWER, some cool aftermarket mods, and keep the price right, I'll buy it.
Old Apr 10, 2008 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
Do we really need 3 V8s in the Camaro line-up?
Why not the mustang have 3 factory v8's. Also how do u guys know that the Z/28 is going to be top dawg?
Old Apr 10, 2008 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by downwithmustang
Why not the mustang have 3 factory v8's. Also how do u guys know that the Z/28 is going to be top dawg?
What? No they don't. The Mustang has ONE factory V-8 engine, the 4.6L

The rest are not "factory" cars correct? Like the 5.4L Shelby GT500.

Even if you include the 5.4L cars, that's only 2 V-8's.

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Old Apr 10, 2008 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Chewbacca
I could not be less interested in a supercharged Camaro, ESPECIALLY a supercharged Z/28.



I'm willing to pay $40K to get the car I want. Any more than that and I may as well find a lightly used C6 ZO6.



2012 model year
I'm with you.

Apparently GM has been smitten with the GT500 since it came out. I hope...I really hope.... that GM hasn't translated the GT500 formula too literally for the Z/28. Because honestly, that's not what I'd be looking for. Not at all.

While we're at it, here's another question.

Let's say that you're willing to wait until 2012, like you said. But say you know that in 2014, a smaller, lighter, Camaro will be released, with a next gen NA smallblock. Then, what do you do?
Old Apr 10, 2008 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
1. Do you still want to purchase a “Z28” version if the only major difference will be a supercharged V8 pushing 500+hp?
I'd expect to pay the same amount that it would cost me to get a GT500. - ~$45k with options

However, I'd pay even more for a LS7 that had even less horsepower. - ~$50k with options. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know... the LS7 is going to be phased out. I'm just saying I'd pay for it, because the car is just begging to have a 7L engine stuffed in it and I would absolutely love the car with that engine.

Originally Posted by jg95z28
2. How much would you be willing to pay over the “SS”?
Not much more than a Mustang GT - ~$33k-$35k with options

Originally Posted by jg95z28
3. How long will you be willing to wait?
2 - 2 1/2 years tops

Now I have a question for you, jg95z28. What are you going to do when the Z/28 is the base V8 and the SS is the top dog Camaro?
Old Apr 10, 2008 | 02:17 PM
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Not much more than a Mustang GT - ~$33k-$35k with options


I priced out a GT Premium with several options, the way I would want my camaro, including the nice rims, 3.55 rear axle, a few interior upgrades, etc, and it came to $29,455. The camaro had better be REAL close to that.



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