AutoSpies: Source says new Firebird and T/A
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Re: AutoSpies: Source says new Firebird and T/A
I may be the only one thinking this, but IF they do bring back the firebird, PLEASE give it some new lines. The from the way the camaro looks now I just dont see any changes that would look natural. If you know what i mean
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Re: AutoSpies: Source says new Firebird and T/A
I think the Firebird and Camaro powertrains could stay indentical. It just seems to me that it would be a good idea to have the Firebird return as a fully modern car, with no retroness to speak of in it at all. It would be a great alternative to someone who was turned off by the Camaro, and that way it would help keep them out of each other's sales to some degree.
I fully modern, very aggressive looking Firebird (with dash gauges instead of the awful console ones) would definitely get attention from me.
I fully modern, very aggressive looking Firebird (with dash gauges instead of the awful console ones) would definitely get attention from me.
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Re: AutoSpies: Source says new Firebird and T/A
Originally Posted by Z284ever
Afew months ago I was 100% sure that there would be no new Firebird. But recently, I've been feeling more like 95% sure there would be no new Firebird.
If there is to be a new gen Firebird, I would really want it to distance itself from Camaro. Let the Firebird sprout some wings and and take flight, so to speak.
Maybe Firebird can replace the next gen Epsilon 2 G6. (I hear the moaning already). Pontiac could really use a max effort, aggressively styled, FWD/AWD coupe. With some serious powertrains as well. I'm thinking turbo HF V6's and 6 speed autos and manuals.
Well, I think it's a good idea anyway. There would be some crossover shopping with Camaro, but would not necessarily be interchangeable, ( as in the past)...and Firebird could then appeal to new and different market niche's .
Ah, never mind. Most of you guys would probably rather see Pontiac killed off.....
You know what, I'm gonna get flamed anyway, so ...WTF...I also want a shaker hoodscoop that says T/A 3.6 Turbo.
If there is to be a new gen Firebird, I would really want it to distance itself from Camaro. Let the Firebird sprout some wings and and take flight, so to speak.
Maybe Firebird can replace the next gen Epsilon 2 G6. (I hear the moaning already). Pontiac could really use a max effort, aggressively styled, FWD/AWD coupe. With some serious powertrains as well. I'm thinking turbo HF V6's and 6 speed autos and manuals.
Well, I think it's a good idea anyway. There would be some crossover shopping with Camaro, but would not necessarily be interchangeable, ( as in the past)...and Firebird could then appeal to new and different market niche's .
Ah, never mind. Most of you guys would probably rather see Pontiac killed off.....
You know what, I'm gonna get flamed anyway, so ...WTF...I also want a shaker hoodscoop that says T/A 3.6 Turbo.
I think we all can agree that the Firebird would be better off to distance itself from the Camaro but I don't think a fwd next gen G6 is the answer.
Like I said before, I think a modern designed muscle/sports coupe with completely different styling and different proportions to the Camaro would be great and would cover that segment of the market very well. Retro or modern, you will be covered. Maybe add AWD in the mix for a much different driving experience and maybe a full line of forced induction motors in contrast with naturally aspirated motors of the Camaro. This type of vehicle seems to lend itself to what Pontiac is and is trying to become. I think it would be a real shame to water down the Firebird and relegate it to common family duty.
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Re: AutoSpies: Source says new Firebird and T/A
Originally Posted by Z284ever
Afew months ago I was 100% sure that there would be no new Firebird. But recently, I've been feeling more like 95% sure there would be no new Firebird.
If there is to be a new gen Firebird, I would really want it to distance itself from Camaro. Let the Firebird sprout some wings and and take flight, so to speak.
Maybe Firebird can replace the next gen Epsilon 2 G6. (I hear the moaning already). Pontiac could really use a max effort, aggressively styled, FWD/AWD coupe. With some serious powertrains as well. I'm thinking turbo HF V6's and 6 speed autos and manuals.
Well, I think it's a good idea anyway. There would be some crossover shopping with Camaro, but would not necessarily be interchangeable, ( as in the past)...and Firebird could then appeal to new and different market niche's .
Ah, never mind. Most of you guys would probably rather see Pontiac killed off.....
You know what, I'm gonna get flamed anyway, so ...WTF...I also want a shaker hoodscoop that says T/A 3.6 Turbo.
If there is to be a new gen Firebird, I would really want it to distance itself from Camaro. Let the Firebird sprout some wings and and take flight, so to speak.
Maybe Firebird can replace the next gen Epsilon 2 G6. (I hear the moaning already). Pontiac could really use a max effort, aggressively styled, FWD/AWD coupe. With some serious powertrains as well. I'm thinking turbo HF V6's and 6 speed autos and manuals.
Well, I think it's a good idea anyway. There would be some crossover shopping with Camaro, but would not necessarily be interchangeable, ( as in the past)...and Firebird could then appeal to new and different market niche's .
Ah, never mind. Most of you guys would probably rather see Pontiac killed off.....
You know what, I'm gonna get flamed anyway, so ...WTF...I also want a shaker hoodscoop that says T/A 3.6 Turbo.
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Re: AutoSpies: Source says new Firebird and T/A
Originally Posted by SNEAKY NEIL
You have never been a fan of Firebirds have you?
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But I have no desire to see Firebird repeat it's last gen formula (no pun intended). It was after all, a business failure.
Really, I haven't heard one compelling argument for a Camaro based Firebird. Not even one.
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Re: AutoSpies: Source says new Firebird and T/A
Originally Posted by Z284ever
OMG! I am a huge Firebird fan.
But I have no desire to see Firebird repeat it's last gen formula (no pun intended). It was after all, a business failure.
Really, I haven't heard one compelling argument for a Camaro based Firebird. Not even one.
But I have no desire to see Firebird repeat it's last gen formula (no pun intended). It was after all, a business failure.
Really, I haven't heard one compelling argument for a Camaro based Firebird. Not even one.
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Re: AutoSpies: Source says new Firebird and T/A
Originally Posted by Z284ever
But I have no desire to see Firebird repeat it's last gen formula (no pun intended). It was after all, a business failure.
Originally Posted by Z284ever
Really, I haven't heard one compelling argument for a Camaro based Firebird. Not even one.
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Re: AutoSpies: Source says new Firebird and T/A
Pontiac seems to be turning back to their old policy of just copying everything from th other brands and rebadging them. Pontiac is getting the G5 soon, I don't see why they won't get a version of the Camaro. To me, it is just a question of what they do with it.
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Re: AutoSpies: Source says new Firebird and T/A
Originally Posted by graham
I wouldnt think it was a big failure. If a Camaro has to sell 125,000 to be a hit then a 1st cousin Firebird wouldnt need to sell what, 12,500 units to be a hit? Think about it. They dont share cost 50/50.... A Camaro is made for 100 mil, then they bring back the Firbird for... what? another 10-15 mil?
You cannot do jacksh!t for that. That might pay for a new grill and some new wheels. Maybe some new tail light lenses or dash pad. Anyway, basically a Camaro with an arrowhead on the grill. I see no point to that.
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Re: AutoSpies: Source says new Firebird and T/A
Originally Posted by SNEAKY NEIL
forced induction(turbo) powerplants and optional AWD
NO! You want Turbo and AWD, buy a goddamn WRX........A Firebird/Trans am can ONLY HAVE RWD! Plain and simple!!
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Re: AutoSpies: Source says new Firebird and T/A
I used that number with 10% in mind.
If it takes x to build Camaro (which they are aparently going to spend) then it should take about 10% of x to develope the alternate pieces.
So just because they sell 75,000 Camaros but only 25,000 Firebirds, the Firebird isnt a failure because it wasnt double the money spent.
If the Firebird was its own unique animal though.....
If it takes x to build Camaro (which they are aparently going to spend) then it should take about 10% of x to develope the alternate pieces.
So just because they sell 75,000 Camaros but only 25,000 Firebirds, the Firebird isnt a failure because it wasnt double the money spent.
If the Firebird was its own unique animal though.....
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Re: AutoSpies: Source says new Firebird and T/A
Originally Posted by graham
I used that number with 10% in mind.
If it takes x to build Camaro (which they are aparently going to spend) then it should take about 10% of x to develope the alternate pieces.
So just because they sell 75,000 Camaros but only 25,000 Firebirds, the Firebird isnt a failure because it wasnt double the money spent.
If the Firebird was its own unique animal though.....
If it takes x to build Camaro (which they are aparently going to spend) then it should take about 10% of x to develope the alternate pieces.
So just because they sell 75,000 Camaros but only 25,000 Firebirds, the Firebird isnt a failure because it wasnt double the money spent.
If the Firebird was its own unique animal though.....
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Re: AutoSpies: Source says new Firebird and T/A
Originally Posted by SNEAKY NEIL
I think a totally modern Firebird inside and out based off the same rwd chassis as the Camaro but looks nothing like the Camaro, with modern forced induction(turbo) powerplants and optional AWD would be a great argument for a "Camaro based Firebird". You don't think so?
