funny thing is the camaro was stopped in 02 and it has still been kicking the 02-09 mustangs ***.

 

Not in sales it isn't...

 

Always a Mustang fan favorite and a very good and valid point at that.

However, read it through a Camaro fans eyes and it goes something like this:

"Sure your car sold better and is still around, but its also slow. Who cares that you can still buy a brand new version of your 'slow' car. If I wanted to buy a slow car there are a lot of other options out there besides Mustang. If I want a fast and affordable performance car, I'll just stick with buying used. Something like an LS1 F-body for example."

Something like that.

 

The point is more people obviously purchase a car for more reasons other than speed.

If you don't have sales, you don't have a car.
It's pretty simple.

 

If anyone buys a car, joins a car enthusiast site and then uses the stock times as the end all then that is just lame. I agree that it is the only fair way to judge the cars competitively, but let me know when you refuse a race at the track because the bowtie or blue oval next to you is more modded.

I bought my car because I love the body style. I agree the car is not the best from the factory but with a block capable of 1000+rwhp from the factory with the right internals, a higher RPM ceiling and a much stouter rear end.........I do not have any regrets.

When the new era of Pony/Muscle cars hit the scene they in their stock or mildly modded form will have to contend with Mustangs and Camaros of ole that have a TON of work done to them just waiting to take their lunch money.

 

im pretty sure sales dont mean anything to anyone who buys a car. or else everyone would be driving the same car. i prefer camaro looks everyday, everyone is different and everyone gets what they like. money makes any car fast.

 

What comes from the factory is a baseline to derive stock specs. Using figures based off of unknown modifications to compare performance numbers is akin to stating 'my Camaro has 5,000 hp, goes 0-60 in .2 seconds and has a top speed of 700 mph. Beat THAT!' Of course it will beat a stock car, but that's beside the point. The Camaro, or any other car isn't judged based on what it's "potentially" capable of, but on what it is capable of from the factory!

Without a baseline to adhere to all the amazing performance figures in the world just mean you've obviously poured thousands upon thousands of dollars into something to make it fast. Fancy that!

I didn't start this thread to insite a dick-measuring contest or even to rub people the wrong way, and if that has happened I apologise. I am just genuinly excited about the new Camaro, as most of you also are, and like those who hope their favorite actor or movie wins an Oscar, I too hope the Camaro knocks the $h!t out of every auto journalist out there and is duely recognized for it's accomplishments!

The Hennessey Camaro looks cool and will probably be pretty damn fast. Great. But if the stock Camaro is able to perform at the level of cars 3 to 4 times it's price I'll tell you right now THAT's what everyone will always remember!

 

I'm sick of seeing people refer to the "tiny 5.4" vs the "big 6.2".

The 5.4 motor is much larger and heavier than any LSx motor.

And hp/l is a retarded measurement when comparing NA vs FI.

Ford's current motor lineup is pure crap. They are using a supercharger as a crutch AGAIN. The NA 5.4 isn't even in the same league as the LS3, and makes equal or less hp than the GM truck 5.3s that aren't even designed for peak hp numbers.

 

yeah you can have that catagory. other than that, the camaro will always woop the mustang. whether it be around or not. and now that its back, its a whole new ball game!

 

So what Camaro whoops on the GT500?


To me the argument is pretty rediculous.
If you are basing the sucess on a car based soley on its speed... whatever helps you sleep at night and feel like a better person...

 

well if you wanna play like that then its only fair that the camaro have a supercharged motor also. then we can come back and talk about this conversation. as far as N/A, its game over. if camaro were to have a supercharged motor to compete with the gt500, hell yes its going to blow its doors off. just looks at the numbers the cts-v is pulling. that would more than likely be the supercharged camaro's motor if it gets made. if they dont s/c it and put the 7.0 ls7 in, its still a hands down competition with the camaro.

 

Yes,

we all know a SCed 6.2 Camaro would be good competition for the 2010 540hp GT500.

No it won't blow the doors off a 2010 GT500. Maybe a 2009, but a not a 2010.

And we all know there is no such thing as a SCed 2010 Camaro.

So in conclusion, the 2010 GT500 is not aiming at anything Camaro. Try Z06 and you'd be closer.

 

Come on. I guess you can say "aiming" but if the GT500 is a pistol aiming at the Z06 then it certainly isn't hitting the broad side of a barn.

The 2010 GT500 should do mid 12's on street tires and the Z06 will do mid 11's. That is not even in the same ballpark. Not to mention what a Z06 will do to a GT500 on the track.

The GT500 is "aiming" at the regular old run of the mill Corvette. This has been validated by those who have bought Corvettes instead of the GT500. With the 2010 GT500 having an MSRP of over $46k and a very similar power to weight ratio, this makes perfect sense. The two are competitive in a straightline and the Corvette handles better, but you have to give up two rear seats, no matter how useless they may be in the GT500.

 

Why not base it on speed? Performance enthusiasts base the success of a car on speed, braking, and cornering all the time. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

I think Mustang fans would be happy to do the same if the Mustang was faster. But since it isn't they talk sales numbers, which is always funny to me since most sales (and the reason the Mustang is still around) are V6 cars. What performance enthusiast gives a darn about a V6 Mustang or Camaro.

Just accept things for what they are. For the last decade and a half (yes even in death) the Camaro Z28 has been whipping the floor with the Mustang GT in both overall performance and performance for the dollar. The Terminators finally turned the table after the Camaro said goodbye. Now, half a decade after the Camaros death, the GT500 is a force to be reckoned with and GM will have to step up and answer the call. However, the Camaro SS will pick up where the Z28 left off, whipping the floor with the Mustang GT.

Perhaps the Mustang will continue to sell better and that will help the Ford faithful sleep at night. But maybe, just maybe, the Camaro will sell better. Then what are you going to say....hehe.

Oh, and don't get too boastful on the 2010 GT500 just yet (I like the car very much by the way but prefer the looks of the 2009). I think you will be very surprised by how well a $34k Camaro SS does against the 35% more expensive $46k GT500.

 

last i checked the last model of the gt500 was barely comparable to the z51 corvette. i dont think its any kind of competition for something like the z06.