very well said.
after going to the NAIAS i tried to keep an open mind on the gt500. and i agree with you the last model is much nicer looking. it may have more hp but i still dont like the new ones. whats with the plastic along the whole bottom of the car? that and the huge chunk of plastic on the rear? kinda takcy looking. i think it would look much nicer all painted.

 

The GT500 was never aimed at the Corvette. It was a forum creation made by Chevy supporters so it would appear that Ford was undone once again, get the info from the horses mouth rather than internet hearsay. The only thing those two cars could compete in would be the potential buyers.

If you were given two options of closely spec' cars: 03-04 Cobra and a LS1 Camaro, the Cobra is the better deal as its mod potential far exceeds the LS1. And dollar for dollar you would be faster with the Ford. The only people who do not buy a "performance" car without a small thought of mod potential are the diehard brand nut huggers.

I love Camaros, Mustangs and the new Challenger even is growing on me but if we meet up at the track and I will spray your *** with my 10 year old "POS" 2v and make you watch my tail lights fade.

 

actually there was an article in car and driver where they tested the z51 vette against the gt500 and the vette took it in every class.

and as far as mod poential with the 2 cars of later generations, its going to come down to which car the loyalty of the car brand to who can say which car has more potential. because honestly, the sky is the limit when it comes to mods. because i can sit here all day and tell you things you can do to an ls1 to get more power, same with you talking about the svt im sure.

and as far as going to the track and you "spraying my ***", id say " your sure good at going strait, but can you turn your car? id rather take some turns than just go strait."

 

I am not even sure why you are making this statement as it does not seam related to anything we have talked about.

If you are a straightline guy AND bolt on's are all you really care about, then I agree that the Cobra is the better deal. However, if you are going full out on internals, power adders, etc. the lighter F-body and larger displacement 5.7L LS1 makes for a good argument.

If you are talking a track car, the lighter NA LS1 is definitely the better choice with its SLA front suspension and torque arm rear setup as opposed to the severely compromised IRS in the heavier supercharged Cobra. The F-body does not have to deal with the heat soak issues which are unavoidable on a supercharged car like the Cobra.

Again, I don't see the point of this random statement, but you appear to have no idea how an LS1 F-body runs with a 150 shot. Put it this way, your modified 13.2 second ride (and thats with a good 1.85 60' time) wouln't be showing any tailights to a stock LS1 F-body with a 150 shot.

 

While I don't see many say "tiny" when talking about the 5.4 or "big" when discussing the 6.2, I do completely agree with your premise.

basically agree.

Little bit of disagreement here. While the truck 5.3 certainly isn't tuned for high RPM power, it does make its 315 HP at a higher rpm than the 310 in the 5.4 (5200 vs 5000). Additionally, it is down on torque (335 vs 365), and makes its peak torque at a significantly higher rpm (4400 vs 3500).

In short....the 5.4 does well compared to other motors of SIMILAR displacement.

My only point.

 

Sorry to bust your bubble, but the 2010 is basically the 2009 GT500KR in a better looking drag. I know you and all the other chevy fanboys want to keep talking about the 2009 GT500, but we're not. Look at the title of the thread, 2010 GT500.

So the 2009 KR has 3.73s, 540/510(exhaust,CAI,tune) and Goodyear F1s.
The 2010 GT500 has a re-geared TR-6060 and 3.55s, 540/510(exhaust,CAI,tune), and Goodyear F1s.

MM&FF ran a bone stock KR to 11.92@120. That's basically midway between a Z51 and a Z06 vette, which will also be the case with the 2010 GT500.

But here's the point, nobody "aims" for something behind them.

 

Yeah I know.

but unless the Z51 dropped a half second and picked up 5mph, it ain't gonna be close anymore.

 

Considering the 2010 SS is claiming only 4Hp less and 6Lb-ft MORE than the Corvette engine, I think it's a fairly safe assumption that the 2010 Vette will end up with a bump in power.

I also doubt the 2010 GT500 is "basically the 2009 GT500KR" I have a feeling there was more to the KR than what you could see in the spec sheet.

 

Like what? Specifics, please. Along with sources.

Thanks.

 

No Chevy fan boy here, I spend more time on svtperformance.com than I do here. My name is Formula51.

And oh by the way. MM&FF also ran a 12.2 in a 2007 GT500 and Evan Smith ran a 12.9 in a stock 4th Gen Z28. You get the point.

You are dreaming if you think the GT500 is aiming at the Z06. It has enough to worry about with the regular C6 Vette. You know people (similar to MM&FF caliber drivers) have run high 11's in a stock LS3 Vette right???

 

Ding ding ding ding ding ding!

 

First off, I'd like a link to that high 11's run in a "stock" C6. Too many people think running drag radials is stock.

Second, the highest mph I've seen for LS3 C6s are around 117. 3 mph shows the GT500KR is making a lot more power under curve than peak readings would indicate. The LS3 vette is no way, no how a 120mph car.

And finally, I think we have different definitions of what "aiming at" means. If you mean that aiming at something means bringing out something that beats it, then I agree Ford aimed the 2007 GT500 at the C6. In 2007 the GT500 was definitely faster than a 2007 LS2 vette. And in the same way the 2010 GT500 will be significantly faster than the 2009 LS3 vette.

I guess when I say "aiming" I was thinking of always looking ahead at what's currently faster. I actually think your definition of aiming is more accurate. Because if Ford aimed the GT500 at the Z06 with the intent of equaling or beating it, it missed both times, in 2007 and 2010.

 

The post was in response to post 127 where there was a little side conversation going on. And the part about the GT500 NOT being aimed the corvette was directed towards your own post.....

Also if you read what I wrote about my car, I said I would be spraying not the other car and if you take it in context it was directed towards the next generation of Camaro, Mustang and Challenger owners. If I meet up with a car that obviously is going to outclass me at the track then I will hit the kill switch. A 150 shot is good for an 11 all day which would have me being even or beating LS1 with a 150 shot, so......

Now just look at power potentials of the engines. Unless you just use the Camaro as a shell and replace the motor the 4.6 in the Cobra will far outlast the LS1. Those things have been taken north of 1800hp, it is pretty widely known fact that the modular blocks(not stock internals) are pretty damn near indestructible.

For auto cross or track duty I can agree with your arguement there. I was building my Camaro for track duty when I had it and the suspension of those cars are a much better starting platform.

 

I never said it was a 120mph car, although some have got close. However, the LS3 Vette is definitely a high 11 to low 12 second capable car which would make it the target for the 2010 GT500, especially when you consider that the two cars cost about the same.

Where is all this coming from? As an absolute statement, that is simply not true. Could a GT500 be driven faster than a LS2 C6, sure, but with each car at its best, it is neck and neck. The fastest stock time for the 2007 GT500 is 12.2 with God himself (Evan Smith) driving. Here are the top few LS2 Vette times from Corvetteforum:

12.21 @ 115.45 - LS1LT1 - 06 A6 - (1282)
12.23 @ 115.58 - 06C6FVR - 06 Z51 M6 - (337)
12.31 @ 114.82 - CYA Vett - 05 F55 M6 - (679)
12.38 @ 115.86 - Proney - 07 M6 - (3521)

There was also a comparison of these two cars when the GT500 first came out and on the same day at the same track the GT500 ran a 12.9 to the Corvette's 12.8 I think it was.

I consider a 2007-20009 GT500 a very good race for a LS2 C6 Vette in most cases, stock vs. stock.

Significantly huh? Hmm, you are really getting out there now. What is your definition of significantly?

Here are the top few LS2 Vettes from Corvetteforum:

11.71 @ 119.94 - AndrewZPSU - 08 M6 - (2590)
11.80 @ 118.82 - Gmrulz - 08 A6 Z51, Npp - (3482)
12.10 @ 117.60 - Dingrao - 08 A6 - (3567)
12.15 @ 115.59 - Old Goat - 09 A6 2.73 - (3712)
12.16 @ 116.54 - Vinsane112 - 08 A6 2.73 - (2744)
12.17 @ 116.80 - Pettvette - 08 A6 - (3290)
12.18 @ 117.72 - Hardhattg - 08 Z51 M6 - (2690)

I think the 2010 GT500 has a lot of work to do just to run with an LS3 Vette, yet alone beat it, SIGNIFICANTLY!!!

Are you serious with this stuff BigBlue???

The 2010 GT500 is just a tune and CAI over the previous car. The car did not lose any significant weight (actually gained a little) nor did it get wider or better tires (actually went up to 19" wheels which should hurt). Yes, it did get better gears, but I don't think the traction is going to be there on the stock tires.

Will this car be a beast with tires only? Absolutely! However, stock vs. stock and dollar for dollar, it is going to be a good match up for the LS3 Vette I think.

It's all good. And like I said, I like the GT500 very much. I road in a Kenny Bell GT500 a guy at work owns that was making over 700 at the wheels!!! That car was a rocket ship and would beat mine at quarter throttle, hahaha.

 

actually from what ive heard about the kr is that the only thing it shared same with the new gt500 was the motor. the thing the kr has above the gt500 is the suspension . apparently the suspension is alot more tight on the kr. i dont know what else is different but the motor is the same.