...and for the record, Scott knows where I am coming from.

 

Only TWO????

 

some of us still have CHILDREN we have to raise scott lol.

Including our spouses lol.

 

Any chance that Scott is aware of your desire for the halo? That closeup assembly looks great...
...but I can't really tell if that outer ring is going to function like the silver concept's . Does anyone have a pic of that particular bumblebee with lamps on?

 

When I read these threads, I wonder what processes GM goes through to identify what 'finishing touches' to apply on the production cars. There's opinion, followed by counter-opinion. If it's the Lutz rule book, you generally don't let the design clinics have much say. As a design team, you live by the sword and die by the sword... which is the way it should be IMHO.

PS Nothing wrong with the concept's 'eyes'.

 

So you would have given the green light to the front end of the Pontiac Aztec despite the fact that it was uglier than a monkees butt?

 

Lol! Make you a deal - you find a way that will allow me to buy a factory 5th gen with the supercharged LS9 out of the ZR1 and I will buy three.

 

i hope the production car has the fender raised higher than the hood like in this pic:
https://www.camaroz28.com/gallery/ma...?g2_itemId=126

i also like the indented channel on either side of the cowl bump

 

Some folks seem to think the ideal car is designed by a public voting or polling process. But that's not how the great car designs have come about. Sure, the Aztek had some problems. (It also won JD Power APPEAL awards, by being very popular with its owners). But car companies cannot, and will not, just go out to the public for approval on every little fender curve. The 1967 Corvette Sting Ray, 1986 Camaro IROC-Z, and 1997 Grand Prix GTP were not designed by a public voting poll. They were created in the minds of skilled, inspired GM designers. THAT is what made them timeless and coveted works of rolling art. I believe the same will be true with the new Camaro

 

I think you meant '85 IROC-Z.
The IROCs were a stunning design when stripped of their decals.
Lots of great surfaces for the light to hit.

 

Stating that we want to have the manufacturer go out to the public for every little fender curve is quite a stretch. Never before has GM gone through such great lengths to have the enthusiasts involved in the development of a Camaro. Many members of this site were brought in to Detroit (at GM's expense) to give their opinion to key players in the development of the 5th gen. Never before has a concept Camaro been hauled out to Fbody car shows around Canada and the U.S.

Many people on this project regularily check in here and other websites to see what Fbody enthusiasts are thinking. Heck, I believe they are also looking at Mustang sites to see what those guys are thinking about the upcoming car.

This is exactly what a car comnpany should do to build a smash hit. Don't assume you know what people want. Ask them! One thing Scott loves to do is stand back and listen to the comments people make when looking over the car. Why? Because he will just ignore everything? No, because he cares what people think which tells me that people have influence.

 

97 Grand Prix GTP a coveted work of art?

We each have our own opinions, I suppose.

 

Look closely. The outer rings on Bumblebee's lamps appear to mimick irises just like the character in the movie. Anyone that thinks they're a hint of what is going on the production version is reading too much into it.

 

I suppose you're correct about the years. I imagine I should have said "1963 Stingray, 1985 IROC-Z, and 1997 GP GTP. I think I did however get the message across. As for the emblems and stripes, I think the IROC-Z was complete only WITH them... IMHO.

It's great Chevy is taking the concept Camaro to so many shows, and soliciting feedback. I imagine a significant amount of that feedback will be incorporated into the production car (we will have to wait and see). But I wonder if some misinterpret those efforts to mean, GM plans to put a 'blank slate' out there and let everyone take a few of their own clay-shaping tools to the blank slug. I feel that would be a huge mistake. I've seen multitudes of 'concepts' offered up by various artists over the years, showing their vision of the next Camaro. They have been interesting... but each time I've muttered a little prayer of thanks to myself ("Thank you... that is not the next Camaro!"). We need to let the pro's do their job. It's fine and great they are looking for enthusiast input - but ultimately, it should be their creation... and anyone in the enthusiast community who is disappointed with their favorite idea being declined, should not have a hissy fit in response. Not saying you are doing that - but I have seen it happen.
I can understand the biases of some, to reject this notion, for any car that's not a 2-door RWD coupe. But facts are facts. The 97+ Prix was a phenomenal success for Pontiac. Grand Prix sales skyrocketed up over 60% that year, and an entire aftermarket of trim and performance parts blossomed for the car.

 

The Accord has been a phenomenal success for Honda, but I wouldn't call it a coveted work of art. Speaking of bias, is it safe to assume that you own or owned a 97+ GTP?

That would be the message I'm trying to get across. Bias or not.

Bob

PS...I'm quite glad GM solicited user (and especially enthusiast) input for the new Camaro.