Frontal shot of new Camaro......
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Ive been told the production headlamps are not far off the Halo/projector style on the concept . The big halogen mustang type reflector headlamps used in the real bumblebee movie car are what I wouldnt read to much into .
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There is a role for the marketing dept in a car company and clinics are not the be all and end all for a successful product.
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You've got your logic wrong! Aztec went through clinics. Lutz is saying to ignore 'most of the information of the clinics' and to 'trust your design instincts' more.
There is a role for the marketing dept in a car company and clinics are not the be all and end all for a successful product.
There is a role for the marketing dept in a car company and clinics are not the be all and end all for a successful product.
The Aztec was replaced with something which is selling very well (Torrent) and the latest Avalanches are drop dead gorgeous. The changes were made because of market response to the product, not Lutz saying to ignore the end user.
As for the GTP, I am glad you like it and I am thrilled that GM is making money of it (if your stats are correct) but it isn't the first car at GM I'd be buying in that price range.
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The newest pics of that other bumblebee that I linked to in my last post are different than both the movie car and the silver/red concept lights from my perspective. There's a halogen bulb as the main light, instead of LEDs, and it isn't all one halogen assembly like the movie car. Please educate me if I'm wrong, providing pics.
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I don't understand what you're saying. The bumblebee in the movie didn't have lamps like the one I am referring to. My fear all along is that the production lights would be exactly like those in the movie:
The newest pics of that other bumblebee that I linked to in my last post are different than both the movie car and the silver/red concept lights from my perspective. There's a halogen bulb as the main light, instead of LEDs, and it isn't all one halogen assembly like the movie car. Please educate me if I'm wrong, providing pics.
The newest pics of that other bumblebee that I linked to in my last post are different than both the movie car and the silver/red concept lights from my perspective. There's a halogen bulb as the main light, instead of LEDs, and it isn't all one halogen assembly like the movie car. Please educate me if I'm wrong, providing pics.
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I see a round halogen lamp in the middle. Is that not what it is? I could be wrong, but I'm saying that there have been three different "in a somewhat finished condition" looking headlamp setups on new Camaros: the silver/red concept type with LEDs in the middle, the Bumblebee movie car with a halogen assembly taking up the entire space, and the newest Bumblebee show car that is sort of a combination of the previous two.
Again, educate me with pictures.
EDITED: ..to remove some non-productive comments... and an eye-roll.
Again, educate me with pictures.
EDITED: ..to remove some non-productive comments... and an eye-roll.
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Part of the problem with Aztek is that people LISTENED to people in focus groups -- and took it for gospel!
That is the frustrating part of product planning --
That's why I say you have to listen to your gut sometimes - - and that answer CAN be "what do trusted enthusiasts think?" (note I said "trusted')
(and thank you for the kind words, Hylton, in your post a few later! I DO try as do all of us on the Camaro project!)
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GM is back!!! The GM brass held true to their promise and kept the new Camaro very close to the jawdropping concept car. The Camaro is the reason I went to college! I finally have my first real job and I'm already saving! Thanks to Scott and to everyone at GM that had a hand in the creation of this car. The only thing I don't like are those doorhandles. Scott, can you work you magic again and get those cleaned up a little. I know the concept's doorhandles are unrealistic, but maybe something like the C6's door handles would help the lines flow better. Just my 2 cents. Counting down the months!!!
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not true
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...6&postcount=16
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...6&postcount=16
Surprise, surprise!
You are looking at Bumblebee #3!
This Bumblebee was the original Silver "Foam" model that was sent to Australia for the Engineering team to use. It traveled to several international shows -- then was shipped to China for a show there -- where someone really did a poor job painting him!
We brought him back to GM Design -- and had him stripped and repainted in the true Bumblebee Color (which, by the way is called "Sunrise" and is manufactured by Valspar......)
That's why his paint job is perfect -- and why he has a set of aluminum wheels........
You are looking at Bumblebee #3!
This Bumblebee was the original Silver "Foam" model that was sent to Australia for the Engineering team to use. It traveled to several international shows -- then was shipped to China for a show there -- where someone really did a poor job painting him!
We brought him back to GM Design -- and had him stripped and repainted in the true Bumblebee Color (which, by the way is called "Sunrise" and is manufactured by Valspar......)
That's why his paint job is perfect -- and why he has a set of aluminum wheels........
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Part of the problem with Aztek is that people LISTENED to people in focus groups -- and took it for gospel!
That is the frustrating part of product planning --
That's why I say you have to listen to your gut sometimes - - and that answer CAN be "what do trusted enthusiasts think?" (note I said "trusted')
That is the frustrating part of product planning --
That's why I say you have to listen to your gut sometimes - - and that answer CAN be "what do trusted enthusiasts think?" (note I said "trusted')
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Scott, now that it has been ok'd for the camo to be removed, is there any word on a date for advertising, releasing colors, or when we will be able to order? Also, would you want to adopt a 24 year old son?: I love F-bodies!...haha