What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'

I know this is a beaten horse, but i was just thinking about it.

What models would you like to see back, and what model set as what.

Camaro: Base V6
Camaro Z28: Stripper Street model | Basically a standard 1LE + option deletes.
Camaro SS: Basically the T/A of the camaros, Fully loaded with some slight HP increase's | Leather Premium sound all standard.
Camaro ZL1: Basically a Z28 with beefed suspension Maybe another Variant of the LSx series. Bare light rims with Ultra Sticky tires. M6 is only Transmission option
Camaro RS: Same thing it was 1993-1997
Camaro RS|SS: A mix of the ZL1 and the SS, Massive performance with the luxurys of the SS. M6 only trans as well.

I know some of the ideas are a little off what these cars have been in the past, but what models would you like to see come back? and as what.

RS, SS and Z28, in that order.

I know this will start a war, but if we're going back to retro/heritage-inspired, we might as well correct the glitch of the late nineties!

:D

Base, RS, Z28. I don't care of SS comes back or not (and it probably will). I'm just interested in keeping the trim levels that are associated with Camaro and pretty much Camaro alone (at least as far as GM goes with RS; I know other marques have had RS trim levels).

Z28 and ZL1, I could care less about a SS package that adds 10 HP or a base model

I think it's a given that we pretty much HAVE to have a base model.

Z28 and ZL1, I could care less about a SS package that adds 10 HP or a base model

While I don't necessarily have a problem with ZL1, to put it in the mix with Z28 I think that the recognizable 'Z' name gets cheapened. I know we have other Chevy's with Zs, but a Z was and will always be a Camaro Z28...

While I don't necessarily have a problem with ZL1, to put it in the mix with Z28 I think that the recognizable 'Z' name gets cheapened. I know we have other Chevy's with Zs, but a Z was and will always be a Camaro Z28...


It doesn't have to be heavily produced, only a hundred or so a year would be fine.

You know, I once favored having a stripper performance model, but being realistic that idea is a non starter. Base model Z28s at $23K and less (rebates, etc) sold pretty poorly.

Think that's an isolated incident?

Ever hear of the Mustang GTS? Didn't think so.


On the other side, Camaro SS sales were stone cold stable. So were WS6 Trans Ams. Most all Z28s sold were pretty loaded. Chevy seems to have sold far more V6 Camaro RSs for $25-27K than Z28s under that price point.

I'd expect a base V6 and a fancy V6 (RS), and the SS with maybe a Z28 afterwards. I can live with that, as long as the V6 is hella quick. :)

You know, I once favored having a stripper performance model, but being realistic that idea is a non starter. Base model Z28s at $23K and less (rebates, etc) sold pretty poorly.


ever think that price is way too high for what it got you?

ever think that price is way too high for what it got you?

23k for 300 RWHP? No. Hell no. Nothing else came close, still doesn't. Crank windows and all.

23k for 300 RWHP? No. Hell no. Nothing else came close, still doesn't. Crank windows and all.
a new mustang GT is what 24k with PW, PDL etc and that in 2005 dollars not 2002.

I also think a ZL1 would dilute its name. I figure a base v6, base v8, performance SS model, and a hi performance 427 Z/28 model (has to have the slash in it).

GM is making SS a signature series of vehicles. They are puting it on all cars to give them performance apeal. However, I don't think they should use it on the 427 model. The 427 obviously will not sell as well as the model below it. If they can make the performance model called the SS, they will be able to utilize it better for marketing. They will be able to sell the cheaper SS model alot better, and have a bigger market to advertise to. Then leave the Z/28 as the very hi performance model, like the Z06. With the "Z" being the extreme vehicles, as opposed to sporty.

23k for 300 RWHP? No. Hell no. Nothing else came close, still doesn't. Crank windows and all.
Yep, we loved ours. My dad moved on to a Corvette and then a GTO, but it was that $23,000 Camaro Z/28 - which GM probably made very little money on - that got us started on performance cars. I hope the next one has this at the very least as an option.

I like the idea of base, RS, and Z/28. I'm not sure what to do with SS. I think GM might want to have a Camaro SS simply because it would be a nice halo car for Chevy's growing SS lineup.

In any case, I would also be somewhat interested in a balls to the walls Camaro, introduced a year or so after introduction to go after the Mustang SVT. I know the presence of Corvette makes this complicated, and I'm not totally convinced that it's necessary myself, but it's still something to consider.

I like the idea of base, RS, and Z/28. I'm not sure what to do with SS. I think GM might want to have a Camaro SS simply because it would be a nice halo car for Chevy's growing SS lineup.


What to do with SS?

Me personally, I see it as an entry level V8/trim package to compete with Mustang GT at the same price point. Not too firm suspension, coupe, convertible and lots of options. It should be the volume, attainable performance package.

a new mustang GT is what 24k with PW, PDL etc and that in 2005 dollars not 2002.

300 RWHP ;) We all know the new Mustang GT is somewhere around 40 HP shy of that. Not to mention I've never seen a Mustang GT going for that price...not to say they haven't or won't.

What to do with SS?

Me personally, I see it as an entry level V8/trim package to compete with Mustang GT at the same price point. Not too firm suspension, coupe, convertible and lots of options. It should be the volume, attainable performance package.
This is exactly what I was trying to say. It could be marketed along with all of the other SS models.

Not to be a negative Nancy, but I have a hard time believing you'll see a ZL1 type Camaro from GM. I may be wrong here, and I hope I am. After the early 70s GM never seemed too worried about the highend performance market with the Camaro. Not sure if that is still true, but there seems to be alot of wishful thinking here, and not alot of realistic thinking. They of course could hold there own with the L98, LT1 and LS1, but never did we get the car that was a super limited, balls to the wall factory built car. Ford tried this with the Cobra, and had good results.

Its sad, but the cars like the 93/95/00 Cobra Rs, and 2003 ~ 2004 Cobras weren't enough of a thorn in the side from Ford to get the highend performance Camaro from GM. If those cars aren't enoug, I really dont' know what will make them do this. Once again, I hope there is a high end Camaro in the line, and the new GM may make this happen, but I am not going to hold my breath.

'08? You won't see a new Camaro before 2010, if even then. We already know that GM's main plans for 2008 are a redesigned Malibu, redesigned TrailBlazer and Envoy, and a bunch of small crossover vehicles on the Theta platform, not a Camaro.

Base - I5
RS - 3.6V6
SS - 5.3V8 LS4
Z28 - 6.0V8 LS2

Possible:
RS/SS - 3.9V6 (Maybe Turbo'd 3.6?)

300 RWHP ;) We all know the new Mustang GT is somewhere around 40 HP shy of that. Not to mention I've never seen a Mustang GT going for that price...not to say they haven't or won't.most buyers don't care fot rwhp all they want is a good car at a good price. the camaro was a better car but at a higher price-a price that many non car people thought was too high.

I also think a ZL1 would dilute its name. I figure a base v6, base v8, performance SS model, and a hi performance 427 Z/28 model (has to have the slash in it).

GM is making SS a signature series of vehicles. They are puting it on all cars to give them performance apeal. However, I don't think they should use it on the 427 model. The 427 obviously will not sell as well as the model below it. If they can make the performance model called the SS, they will be able to utilize it better for marketing. They will be able to sell the cheaper SS model alot better, and have a bigger market to advertise to. Then leave the Z/28 as the very hi performance model, like the Z06. With the "Z" being the extreme vehicles, as opposed to sporty.

You're the closest to what I'm thinking as well. Base car w/ a 3.9, optional 5.3. SS with either a 5.3 and optional 6.0, or just standard with the 6.0. Z/28, strictly a Shelby competitor, w/ the 7.0....since we're hypothesizing after all.

RS witha 5.3L or 4.8L is all I care about. (Hardtop, decent stereo, cruise a/c, power stuff and posi) Oh...maybe something that can go head to head with the Shlby Mustang :D

I also think a ZL1 would dilute its name. I figure a base v6, base v8, performance SS model, and a hi performance 427 Z/28 model (has to have the slash in it).

GM is making SS a signature series of vehicles. They are puting it on all cars to give them performance apeal. However, I don't think they should use it on the 427 model. The 427 obviously will not sell as well as the model below it. If they can make the performance model called the SS, they will be able to utilize it better for marketing. They will be able to sell the cheaper SS model alot better, and have a bigger market to advertise to. Then leave the Z/28 as the very hi performance model, like the Z06. With the "Z" being the extreme vehicles, as opposed to sporty.

Yeah, you're the closest to what I've been thinking as well. Good ideas all around.

While I don't necessarily have a problem with ZL1, to put it in the mix with Z28 I think that the recognizable 'Z' name gets cheapened. I know we have other Chevy's with Zs, but a Z was and will always be a Camaro Z28...


I love it when im talking with none chevy guys.

I say "Yea i got a Z, pretty quick" they almost instantly respond "350Z?"

So its pretty standard i have to say Z28 outside of people i know.

You know, I once favored having a stripper performance model, but being realistic that idea is a non starter. Base model Z28s at $23K and less (rebates, etc) sold pretty poorly.

Think that's an isolated incident?

Ever hear of the Mustang GTS? Didn't think so.


On the other side, Camaro SS sales were stone cold stable. So were WS6 Trans Ams. Most all Z28s sold were pretty loaded. Chevy seems to have sold far more V6 Camaro RSs for $25-27K than Z28s under that price point.

I'd expect a base V6 and a fancy V6 (RS), and the SS with maybe a Z28 afterwards. I can live with that, as long as the V6 is hella quick. :)

SC base V6 :metal:

What if maybe the base Camaro would have a 5.3 option, yes i know in the past ive been against this, but thats one hell of a sleeped :thumb:

a new mustang GT is what 24k with PW, PDL etc and that in 2005 dollars not 2002.


maybe MSRP.

And the new GT's still aint as quick as that $23k LS1 Z28, that is yes 3 years dead now.

I guess street racers these days want all the bells and whistles, only hardcore racerboys want stripper cars anymore, to live in the 60's-70's is where i think i was truely supposed to live with my likes.

I also think a ZL1 would dilute its name. I figure a base v6, base v8, performance SS model, and a hi performance 427 Z/28 model (has to have the slash in it).

GM is making SS a signature series of vehicles. They are puting it on all cars to give them performance apeal. However, I don't think they should use it on the 427 model. The 427 obviously will not sell as well as the model below it. If they can make the performance model called the SS, they will be able to utilize it better for marketing. They will be able to sell the cheaper SS model alot better, and have a bigger market to advertise to. Then leave the Z/28 as the very hi performance model, like the Z06. With the "Z" being the extreme vehicles, as opposed to sporty.

it really would be nice to have Z/28 come back to its routes as a true performer, and not just the base V8 model.

only time will tell.

Not to be a negative Nancy, but I have a hard time believing you'll see a ZL1 type Camaro from GM. I may be wrong here, and I hope I am. After the early 70s GM never seemed too worried about the highend performance market with the Camaro. Not sure if that is still true, but there seems to be alot of wishful thinking here, and not alot of realistic thinking. They of course could hold there own with the L98, LT1 and LS1, but never did we get the car that was a super limited, balls to the wall factory built car. Ford tried this with the Cobra, and had good results.

Its sad, but the cars like the 93/95/00 Cobra Rs, and 2003 ~ 2004 Cobras weren't enough of a thorn in the side from Ford to get the highend performance Camaro from GM. If those cars aren't enoug, I really dont' know what will make them do this. Once again, I hope there is a high end Camaro in the line, and the new GM may make this happen, but I am not going to hold my breath.


Because the standard Z/28 could mop all but the 00'....

Its not like those' where super performers lol, they where what mustangs Should have been at that time, instead ford took the limited production road for some performers, that in fact whern't all that great.

The 00' was nice, but the Z06 with its non-inflated price-tag was a better all around car. I watched the last 00' R's go for about $75,000 new here... no ****.

Keep it simlpe and traditional..(Performance line up: )
RS- HOT V6, optional mid 8...
SS- HOT-Mid V8, TOP V8, NOT a jaw cracking suspension, all the toys...
Z28-Mid V8, TOP V8...corners like on rails...more Go than show..
(Price line up: )
RS- high teens to Low 20's
Z28- Low to mid 20's..
SS- high 20's to mid 30's

As in past, SS = top straight line performer, Z28 corner carver...

Base V6
RS Package option
SS Package
Z28-Package
RS/SS option package.

There ain't gonna be a stripper Z28 gang. :p

LS = base V6 model
LT = V6 with luxury upgrades
SS = V8

That's it gang. ;)












... then 18 months later... oh please, oh please... :D

There ain't gonna be a stripper Z28 gang. :p

LS = base V6 model
LT = V6 with luxury upgrades
SS = V8

That's it gang. ;)












... then 18 months later... oh please, oh please... :D


dont preech these dirty lies :(

dont preech these dirty lies :(
Sorry my friend, but if you look at the direction Chevrolet is going, its the only logical reality. :(









But I still hope the martian's 18 month out suggestion becomes a reality. :D

Sorry my friend, but if you look at the direction Chevrolet is going, its the only logical reality. :(









But I still hope the martian's 18 month out suggestion becomes a reality. :D

as long as the Z/28 returns as what it was intended to be, another 18months wont be that bad, but that thing better literally cut asphalt on turns.

And have some hella grunt' ive been waiting a long time for her return :(

RS witha 5.3L or 4.8L is all I care about. (Hardtop, decent stereo, cruise a/c, power stuff and posi) Oh...maybe something that can go head to head with the Shlby Mustang :D


:metal:

ever think that price is way too high for what it got you?

No, not at at all.

300 RWHP ;) We all know the new Mustang GT is somewhere around 40 HP shy of that...

Actually, it is probally about 300 RWHP. The car weighs 3500 pounds, yet accelerates to 60 as quickly as an LS1 despite having an actual 40 HP disadvantage.

Part of it is aggressive ratios, but that engine is significantly underrated as well.


maybe MSRP.

And the new GT's still aint as quick as that $23k LS1 Z28, that is yes 3 years dead now.

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. ;)



There ain't gonna be a stripper Z28 gang. :p

LS = base V6 model
LT = V6 with luxury upgrades
SS = V8...


LT!? :eek:

You mean someone actually listened?! :shock:
(There was a thread some time ago that I mentioned LT and a sports luxury Camaro and there was a long discussion on it here. I also recall mentioning this to someone with Chevy or GM once in a casual talk conversation).

If true, all I can say is....... WOW! :bow:

ugh...no LS/LT Camaros.

What to do with SS?

Me personally, I see it as an entry level V8/trim package to compete with Mustang GT at the same price point. Not too firm suspension, coupe, convertible and lots of options. It should be the volume, attainable performance package.

I agree with this assessment as well. SS is the mainstream Mustang GT fighter. Z/28 should be the Camaro equivelant of the Corvette Z06 (best of everything, coupe only, hard edged performance). If they could bring it in at a price under the GT500, that would be a bonus.

ugh...no LS/LT Camaros.

I don't want an LS, but "LT" (more specifically Type LT) has a long history on Camaros...I think they were the first Chevy to use the (Type) LT designation (though I could be wrong).

Keep it simlpe and traditional..(Performance line up: )
RS- HOT V6, optional mid 8...
SS- HOT-Mid V8, TOP V8, NOT a jaw cracking suspension, all the toys...
Z28-Mid V8, TOP V8...corners like on rails...more Go than show..
(Price line up: )
RS- high teens to Low 20's
Z28- Low to mid 20's..
SS- high 20's to mid 30's

As in past, SS = top straight line performer, Z28 corner carver...

Mid 20s for a V8 Camaro? I would like to see that happen, but if you look at the 4th gens price, I have a hard time believing that GM can deliver this car for that price. The base price on a 4th gen Z28 was around $24,000, I never seen one go for less than $26,500. Take the 4th gen price, and add in a new car (Not one built for the last 20 years), and the price that can entail, and do all that in 2008 dollars (Not 2002 dolalrs)... I don't think this is going to be a poor man's supercar. Not that it was before they stopped production on the 4th gen...

This is the line up I want to see.

The Z28 should be the Camaro version of the Z06. Thus it will be the highest performer, but low on the options(not a stripper though). Hard top only, 6 speed only, only leather, so on. Give the Z28 the base Corvette motor. We should assume the C6 LS2 is underrated, so it should make about 400 through Camaro exhaust. It should still be slower than the base C6 because of aerodynamics and weight even though the horsepower is about the same. 18 inch wheels. This will be the Balls to the wall top Camaro.

The SS should have the 5.3L roughly 380 hp LS2. However you will be able to get this car fully loaded; convertible, all power, all the special stuff, Onstar, leather, auto or 6 spd. You need a choice of wheels here. Different styles in 17s or 18s. This will be a go fast look good Camaro.

Then call the V6 base car an RS and give it the 3.9L. Make it cheap and nice base price but with the options of the SS.

No, not at at all.
so you think chevy priced the base camaro at the right price yet ford priced their pony car much less. gee i wonder why the camaro isn't being made anymore.

LT!? :eek:

You mean someone actually listened?! :shock:
(There was a thread some time ago that I mentioned LT and a sports luxury Camaro and there was a long discussion on it here. I also recall mentioning this to someone with Chevy or GM once in a casual talk conversation).

If true, all I can say is....... WOW! :bow:

Sounds like a strong hint to me :)

Where does the idea of the SS being the midrange camaro and the Z28 being the top dog come from? When did the Z28 ever have a hotter engine than the top SS models? Is it due to the SS originally having several engine setups available, some of which were weaker than the Z28's 302?? That's kinda minor to me as even in 67 the 375hp 396 was available in the SS which would eat the 302 Z28's lunch on the dragstrip.

I could maybe see the Z28 being the real corner carver since that's what it was originally but I would think the great handling Z28 coupled w/ the 5.3 being a more likely setup and harken more to the original, why would it get a 6.0 LS2 while the SS gets strapped w/ something like the 5.3? That just seems backwards...

W/ GMs recent treatment of the SS being the top model across the board I just don't see it being much different then it was before. I'm kinda figuring the SS will continue to be a 10-20 hp extra, mainly appearance package over the Z28 if they have both models at all...

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. ;)




oh god this arguement again lol

Unless you have slips to prove to me otherwise, the LS1 is faster then a stock 05' GT.

Ive driven one my damn self, and the vette outpulls it anyday of the week and they are damn near identical (LS1 F-Bod | Vette) soooo, show me some slips or quit with saying 05' GTs are quicker then LS1 F-bods.

No, not at at all.



Actually, it is probally about 300 RWHP. The car weighs 3500 pounds, yet accelerates to 60 as quickly as an LS1 despite having an actual 40 HP disadvantage.

Part of it is aggressive ratios, but that engine is significantly underrated as well.




Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. ;)



Please show me a Mustang putting down 300rwhp stock, thanks. I've only seen 05 Mustangs put down ~265rwhp stock. Just this past friday night I beat a 05 GT that had exhaust work, he initially took me off the line, but I eventually had around 2 cars on him by 100.

Stock for stock, they're still pretty damn slow. I still haven't seen a Mustang break out of the 14s yet at my track, and they're running times similar to my old 89 L98 IROC-Z.

Anywho.

I'd hope they do a setup similar to the third gens.

RS/LT whatever: V6/V8 303 HP.. I think that would go well as a direct competitor to the GT.
SS/Z28 as the high performance Camaro

Please show me a Mustang putting down 300rwhp stock, thanks. I've only seen 05 Mustangs put down ~265rwhp stock. Just this past friday night I beat a 05 GT that had exhaust work, he initially took me off the line, but I eventually had around 2 cars on him by 100.

Stock for stock, they're still pretty damn slow. I still haven't seen a Mustang break out of the 14s yet at my track, and they're running times similar to my old 89 L98 IROC-Z.

Anywho.

I'd hope they do a setup similar to the third gens.

RS/LT whatever: V6/V8 303 HP.. I think that would go well as a direct competitor to the GT.
SS/Z28 as the high performance Camaro


same thing here, people keep INSISTING otherwise. I go to the track and they sit in the low 14's or high 13's stock, With good weather and drivers i know personally who are kick-as5 with a M5.

Off the line, i have never had one pass me in the 1993', in the vette ive only ran one, it was a laughable experiance.

Yet people keep inisiting (only on here of all places) these are low 13 second cars.

I drove my friends when he got it, it was alot stronger then any mustang (stock) ive ever drove, but NO it didnt feal as strong as my LT1 or LS1, maybe its chassis no clue.

Ive seen one on the dyno, and NO it didnt lay down 300RWHP... It was like 271 i think he had a cut-out and minor exhaust junk, No real HP gainers.

Show some slips or quit poluting post's with assumptions.

I like the idea of LS/LT.

That sounds good a introduction:

LS - 3.6L
LT - 3.6L Loaded (Optional 3.9L)
SS - 5.3L
18 Months later
Z28 - 6.0L Mildly Optioned (1LE Option Please)

Only thing I don't like about this setup is that the 02 SS would come damn close to laying the smackdown on a 0x' SS w/ the 5.3.

I like the idea of LS/LT.

That sounds good a introduction:

LS - 3.6L
LT - 3.6L Loaded (Optional 3.9L)
SS - 5.3L
18 Months later
Z28 - 6.0L Mildly Optioned (1LE Option Please)

Only thing I don't like about this setup is that the 02 SS would come damn close to laying the smackdown on a 0x' SS w/ the 5.3.

Im pretty sure V8 modeled camaros will share the Vette' drive train like they have so often in the past.

Its easier to mass produce the Ls2 (or whatever it will be at the Camaros Re-introduction) then make a bunch of spiced up 5.3's souly for the Camaro. So GM will take the cash concious route and put the base Vette' motor in the Base V8 camaros.

I like the idea of LS/LT.

That sounds good a introduction:

LS - 3.6L
LT - 3.6L Loaded (Optional 3.9L)
SS - 5.3L
18 Months later
Z28 - 6.0L Mildly Optioned (1LE Option Please)

Only thing I don't like about this setup is that the 02 SS would come damn close to laying the smackdown on a 0x' SS w/ the 5.3.

Okay I can sort of see LT.....its not the first time. In 86/87 they had an LT and in the 70's there was a Type LT.

But LS---? Sounds good on an Impala or Buick. No performance nomenclature there.

I really don't like the sound of LS or LT. Those are family car designations in my mind. Did you ever see an 80's Camaro Type LT? They sucked. Just like the Berlinetta. Camaros seem silly when you try to mix them with luxury. Just my opinion.

And for the record, all the 05GT slips I've seen are ~265-275 as well.
:)

Where does the idea of the SS being the midrange camaro and the Z28 being the top dog come from? When did the Z28 ever have a hotter engine than the top SS models? Is it due to the SS originally having several engine setups available, some of which were weaker than the Z28's 302?? That's kinda minor to me as even in 67 the 375hp 396 was available in the SS which would eat the 302 Z28's lunch on the dragstrip.

I could maybe see the Z28 being the real corner carver since that's what it was originally but I would think the great handling Z28 coupled w/ the 5.3 being a more likely setup and harken more to the original, why would it get a 6.0 LS2 while the SS gets strapped w/ something like the 5.3? That just seems backwards...

W/ GMs recent treatment of the SS being the top model across the board I just don't see it being much different then it was before. I'm kinda figuring the SS will continue to be a 10-20 hp extra, mainly appearance package over the Z28 if they have both models at all...


I don't understand this either.

67-69 SS had either a 350 or 396
67-69 Z/28 had a 302

The SS with a 5.3 liter, don't think so. Maybe a base V8 Camaro, RS, and/or Z/28 trims. The SS must have at least an LS2 and if as mentioned earlier an LS7 as well.

It should be

Base
RS
SS
Type-R :p

The Type-R Song
If it ain't a Type-R then it aint a tight car!;)

z28 350v8, ss427v8, zl1502v8

I don't understand this either.

67-69 SS had either a 350 or 396
67-69 Z/28 had a 302

The SS with a 5.3 liter, don't think so. Maybe a base V8 Camaro, RS, and/or Z/28 trims. The SS must have at least an LS2 and if as mentioned earlier an LS7 as well.


GM is gonna ship all V8 models with base Vette engines, lets not fool ourselfs into thinking GM is gonna go the pricey route and make a spicey 5.3 just for the camaro line. Yes i realize the new Monte SS w/ V8 puts out decent numbers, but not numbers worthy of a 2008 sports car.

I honestly expect to see a Z/28 with base LS2 (or w/e is in the base vette atm, maybe a Gen behind) slightly detuned or governed because of SAE ratings. LS2 (or variant of) for the SS with exhaust -- Same stuff they did with the F4 to pull out a few ponys. then base V6 | RS etc.

I hope this ISNT the case, but GM will do what will push these cars out at the lowiest price, and standardized motors is where thats at. Why make a new motor, when you have LSx in piles. Just wont be happening.

Return of the IROC-Z and Berlinetta :D

z28 350v8, ss427v8, zl1502v8


SS 427 :D

Please show me a Mustang putting down 300rwhp stock, thanks. I've only seen 05 Mustangs put down ~265rwhp stock. Just this past friday night I beat a 05 GT that had exhaust work, he initially took me off the line, but I eventually had around 2 cars on him by 100.

Can't let this one slide either, stock 05 GTs are NOT putting down 300rwhp.

dyno link (http://www.alternativeauto.com/misc/05_gt_dyno_update.html)

dyno_link2 (http://www.cnlperformance.com/2005GT.html)
256.7rwhp/279.9rwtq baseline, 282.2rwhp/301.5rwtq w/intake and tune.

It takes intake, tune, and exhaust to break the 300 mark in a GT. It's a much stronger car than previous years but let's not get carried away.

Link to dyno food-chain:
stock_dyno_comps (http://www.dynoperformance.com/)

Can't let this one slide either, stock 05 GTs are NOT putting down 300rwhp.

dyno link (http://www.alternativeauto.com/misc/05_gt_dyno_update.html)

dyno_link2 (http://www.cnlperformance.com/2005GT.html)
256.7rwhp/279.9rwtq baseline, 282.2rwhp/301.5rwtq w/intake and tune.

It takes intake, tune, and exhaust to break the 300 mark in a GT. It's a much stronger car than previous years but let's not get carried away.

Link to dyno food-chain:
stock_dyno_comps (http://www.dynoperformance.com/)

thank god a solid link, put this insane arguement to sleep.

Funny how the 02 SS is putting down over 50 more HP then the 05 stang.

the Z28 wouldnt be far behind with a 40+ HP advantage.

Nothing to be ashamed of, being 4 years behind the competition in raw power.

Yep the Camaros dead for the moment, but the legacy lives on.

I'd expect a base V6 and a fancy V6 (RS), and the SS with maybe a Z28 afterwards. I can live with that, as long as the V6 is hella quick. :)

Arggg that would be so AWESOME if the fancy v6 had close performance to the mustang GT (even if it outperformed it). Probably won't (for sure) but just imagine how sweet that would be.

Arggg that would be so AWESOME if the fancy v6 had close performance to the mustang GT (even if it outperformed it). Probably won't (for sure) but just imagine how sweet that would be.

sweet to say the least :metal:

The first two are easy:

Base (Type LT or LT are ok, BUT NO LS ALLOWED!)
RS (base plus V8 model looks-think Mustang Pony)

Now here comes the hard one, the SS-Z/28 debate...

For me, I go with the SS being the volume performer with the full list of options available, including T-tops or 'vert options.

Z/28 is the true top dog performance wise. Either debuts at the same time as SS with the same engine and 6 speed only, no t-tops or 'vert OR (I hate to say it but...) wait 18 months to get a Z/28 with a extra 100 hp.

However, if we look at the way things went down with the 4th. gen, then it will be just the opposite. We will get the Z/28 as the volume performance model and 18 months from then we will get a SS model with more performance.

I don't understand this either.

67-69 SS had either a 350 or 396
67-69 Z/28 had a 302

The SS with a 5.3 liter, don't think so. Maybe a base V8 Camaro, RS, and/or Z/28 trims. The SS must have at least an LS2 and if as mentioned earlier an LS7 as well.

Don't underestimate the 302V8. They've handed plenty of Big Blocks their ass before. 350-400 estimated fwhp. These things were screamers with a solid roller and I believe an 850cfm. A deep set of gears (I believe available from the factory) and you could go big block hunting in the 1/4. Back then with Bias-Ply's too much torque would hurt you on the street and a high winding small block worked excellent (now enter slicks and you have a whole different ballgame...;))

Ever hear of the Mustang GTS? Didn't think so.


I did I almost bought one..

Its sad, but the cars like the 93/95/00 Cobra Rs, and 2003 ~ 2004 Cobras weren't enough of a thorn in the side from Ford to get the highend performance Camaro from GM. If those cars aren't enoug, I really dont' know what will make them do this. Once again, I hope there is a high end Camaro in the line, and the new GM may make this happen, but I am not going to hold my breath.

Until Ford introduced the GT , it had what performance halo car to market with?

Fords most recognizable perf car is the mustang, so it was natural for them to have so many interations. GM has the vette and has had the vette to market a high end perf car. Hence, they didn't need to make a high end camaro. The vette is essentially where their average perf car ends and the high end perf car begins.

As many people have said and suggested, why would GM make a pony car that would leave the vette sucking in the wind?

Personally I like this 3 car idea

Base V6: coupe or convertible shares interior options with V8 cars, can upgrade to V6 sport package (suspension, appearence and intake/exhaust tuning), 18 to 25k

RS - Base V8: coupe or convertible, shares V6 interior options and can have fully optioned interior, 300 or 350 hp, a few appearence options to differentiate form V6 (wheels, air bra... I mean wings, splitters, etc.), 23 to 30k

Z/28 - Top V8: Coupe or convertibe with 400+ HP V8, fully loaded interior as well as an appearence that cannot be optioned by RS or V6 cars. 28k+

I don't understand this either.

67-69 SS had either a 350 or 396
67-69 Z/28 had a 302

The SS with a 5.3 liter, don't think so. Maybe a base V8 Camaro, RS, and/or Z/28 trims. The SS must have at least an LS2 and if as mentioned earlier an LS7 as well.

Anyone who says the 67-79 Z/28 had "Just" a 302, needs to read up on the 67-69 Z/28. The 302 was underrated at 290 horses. A stock 302 Z/28 vs. a stock SS350 (295 horse) is no contest. The Z/28 will win.

375 Horse 396 cars are fairly rare - less than 5,000 built in 1969, with some 8,000 or so 396 cars with the 325 and 350 horse 396s built. There were more than 20,000 Z/28s built in 1969. While I have no doubt that the 375 horse 396 will show its taillights to a Z on the drag strip, I think a Z vs. the 325 or 350 horse 396 would be closer than you'd think.

So, I think if you were to go back to the streets in 1969, when most SS Camaros running around were of the 350 variety, I think you'd find the Z/28 was, for the most part, the top dog. The SS models were fast, and are extremely cool, but they aren't the all around performance cars the Z/28s were. SS back then was very similar to what Chevy is doing with it today. The Z was something really special - more equivelant to what a Corvette Z06 is to a regular 'Vette.

SS350 package cost $295.00 at the beginning of the '69 model year. Z/28 package was $458, plus the cost of the mandatory heavy duty 4 speed, guage package and power front disc brakes (4 wheel discs recommended). So it was around $900 by the time you were finished ordering - a much more complete performance package.

Until Ford introduced the GT , it had what performance halo car to market with?

the horse of course :metal:

Fords most recognizable perf car is the mustang, so it was natural for them to have so many interations. GM has the vette and has had the vette to market a high end perf car. Hence, they didn't need to make a high end camaro. The vette is essentially where their average perf car ends and the high end perf car begins.

Yes, but GM needs to get over this Start | stoping none-sense. I honestly feal the base Vette needs to be @ 500HP, Z06 in 600-650 HP area. This would allow them so much more room for the Camaro.

The Mustang will have the GT 300HP | GT500 450-500HP | Cobra 400HP in the next 24-36 months.

So i dont see why they wouldnt want to answer back in 08' (or whenever it launchs) with a Z28 400HP | SS 450HP | ZL1 500HP, Yes i know this isnt going to happen, but maybe what killed the camaro was lack of risks and flare. I love the F4, but they never really went out on a limb with it in the past few years.

The re-introduction of a true street machine Z/28, or even a Hot Limited production $20,000 option ZL1 would have saved the F-bod of this vacation its been on for the past 4 years, will be a possible 2 more before we see them coming off the line.

Enthusiast's Love hot special edition cars, hell look at the Cobra R's which in retrospect arn't even that hot compared to an equal GM, but coming from the house of the blue oval they where damn hot, and inspired people to eat up the name Mustang.

I think if GM launched a ZL1 even as a limited production $60,000 camaro (yes i know i know...) with the re-birtch of the Camaro, it would light a fire under the auto industrys performance markets.

As many people have said and suggested, why would GM make a pony car that would leave the vette sucking in the wind?

it all comes down to the "Gotta be different" idea system, and that system is proving mighty lucrative for DCX and Ford atm, time for GM to open there eyes, and even more... There minds.

The Vette' and camaro usually from my personal experiance have two intirely seperate audiances. The camaro seems to be more for the street racing, gear bangers who love performance, and this stands true i see some older people who absolutly adore the Camaro, and dispise the Vette' or care little of it.

The same is sad for the Vette people, they are Vette people, they usually dont like that our cars share drivetrains, and insist superiority.

Chevy needs to realize these are two seperate markets, yes GM has identified the Vette' as there halo car damn near since its birth, but usually people buy these cars for different reasons. Vette' people always come off to me as, all about the bells and whistles and want some performance to back it up.

Most Camaro owners i know, are all about balls to the wall street roaming pony war fun. HP needs to stop being the limitation that GM allows to hold back some of there more Fan based cars.

Personally I like this 3 car idea

Base V6: coupe or convertible shares interior options with V8 cars, can upgrade to V6 sport package (suspension, appearence and intake/exhaust tuning), 18 to 25k

sounds good.

RS - Base V8: coupe or convertible, shares V6 interior options and can have fully optioned interior, 300 or 350 hp, a few appearence options to differentiate form V6 (wheels, air bra... I mean wings, splitters, etc.), 23 to 30k

I guess a standard 5.3 for a RS model option would be great, even if its a standard Impy SS engine, something kinda spicy but not the whole deal.

I dont see GM doing this, but hey for a $2000-$3000 option, it could be enough to make the sales volume rocket, putting the RS in GT's territory would be nice.

Z/28 - Top V8: Coupe or convertibe with 400+ HP V8, fully loaded interior as well as an appearence that cannot be optioned by RS or V6 cars. 28k+

Needs to have 1LE options, when | if the new camaro is launched, i personally wont be buying one unless i can get her stripped.

But thats just me.

...And the cross ram version of the 302 put out over 500 hp. :D

Sure the SS had a big block option, and the L78s and 427 COPOs were damn badass beasts of machines. However, for anyone to say the Z28 should be second to the SS is completely forgetting what the Z28 and Camaro were originally created for in the first place. Of course, if back in 1967 the SCCA had allowed 5.7L displacement in its sedan class, we wouldn't be having this argument in the first place. :D

In year one, I see three Camaros:
Base V6
Luxury V6
V8 SS

Later perhaps a convertible and a Z06-like Z28.

I suggested LS and LT for the trim options based on Guy's earlier post. (Yeah, I was listening, but I don't know if GM was. :D )

Forget about RS. Chevrolet hasn't had an RS model in some time, and the 4th gen RS Camaros were nothing like the original Rally Sports they were named after.

There won't be a stripper V8 model either. You'll get one V8, the SS. It'll be a detuned version of the base Corvette motor. ("Detuned" could be as little as a more restrictive exhaust system.) If the Camaro is going to be profittable for GM, it needs to be streamlined. That means fewer models and fewer optional engine packages than in the past. That does not neccessarily mean fewer options, as the current trend seems to be personal customization.

We can all dream of radical versions and multiple drivetrain options, but let's be a little realistic for a minute, shall we? If its done right, do we really need more than a V6 and a V8, provided each can be customized as the buyer sees fit? :rolleyes:

Jesus,

I wonder how many people here have ever been behind a 400hp car let alone a 500hp car.

You make them too powerful nobody will buy them. Period.

Your general public likes to have a "Loaded" camaro without being afraid to hit the gas pedal with a xxx hp engine. Why do you think the 4th gens sold so terrible??? Alot of the cool features the SS packages had (cosmetic, etc...) could only be had with a screaming LS1 and that lost alot of potential buyers to the Mustangs that were alot more "street" friendly.

IMO, that's why a couple V6 models need to be available like I said 3.6 base, 3.9 LT, 5.3 SS, and 6.0 Z28 = Good Sales.

It'll be a detuned version of the base Corvette motor. ("Detuned" could be as little as a more restrictive exhaust system.)


I dunno, I think the 5.3V8 would be an excellent engine for the SS???

EDIT: Maybe with an OPTION for a "Detuned 375hp 6.0L"

Save the 400-425 6.0L for the Z28.

...And the cross ram version of the 302 put out over 500 hp. :D

Sure the SS had a big block option, and the L78s and 427 COPOs were damn badass beasts of machines. However, for anyone to say the Z28 should be second to the SS is completely forgetting what the Z28 and Camaro were originally created for in the first place. Of course, if back in 1967 the SCCA had allowed 5.7L displacement in its sedan class, we wouldn't be having this argument in the first place. :D

In year one, I see three Camaros:
Base V6
Luxury V6
V8 SS

Later perhaps a convertible and a Z06-like Z28.

I suggested LS and LT for the trim options based on Guy's earlier post. (Yeah, I was listening, but I don't know if GM was. :D )

Forget about RS. Chevrolet hasn't had an RS model in some time, and the 4th gen RS Camaros were nothing like the original Rally Sports they were named after.

There won't be a stripper V8 model either. You'll get one V8, the SS. It'll be a detuned version of the base Corvette motor. ("Detuned" could be as little as a more restrictive exhaust system.) If the Camaro is going to be profittable for GM, it needs to be streamlined. That means fewer models and fewer optional engine packages than in the past. That does not neccessarily mean fewer options, as the current trend seems to be personal customization.

We can all dream of radical versions and multiple drivetrain options, but let's be a little realistic for a minute, shall we? If its done right, do we really need more than a V6 and a V8, provided each can be customized as the buyer sees fit? :rolleyes:

My thoughts exactly, they wont be tossing some spiced up "Camaro only" motor in the Camaros.

It will be a base Vette LSx, With come sticky exhaust to detune her, to keep it below the Vette.

It is fun to dream however.

Base V6
Luxury V6
Super Sport 400HP LSx
and a Racer boy inspired Curve Carving Z/28 maybe a little more spicey then the SS.

The SS isnt really what it used to be (the nameplate) the SS now is the entry level semi-hot package, usually resulting in a V6 upgrade, V8 in the impala.

I think maybe as suggested before, the Z will become the new ultra class letter. Z06 and its smaller cousin Z28.

This could be why, its been suggested by reliable sources on here, that at launch there will be no Z28, which this intire idea sounds great to me!

:thumb:

I dunno, I think the 5.3V8 would be an excellent engine for the SS???
However, other than the truck 5.3L all the other current 5.3Ls are FWD. Even the SSR, which originally had a unique 5.3L RWD set-up is now running the 6.0L LS2.

I honestly don't see a need for the V8 Camaro to have different drivetrain options than the Corvette. ;)

I think maybe as suggested before, the Z will become the new ultra class letter. Z06 and its smaller cousin Z28.

This could be why, its been suggested by reliable sources on here, that at launch there will be no Z28, which this intire idea sounds great to me!

:thumb:
That I agree with and have been preaching for well over a year now... ever since the martian suggested it. :D

I dunno, I think the 5.3V8 would be an excellent engine for the SS???


Maybe im nieve, but i just dont see that happening.

They wont bring back the camaro, just to toss a 303HP 5.3 in her, sure that could be 350HP by the time of launch (Im talking about them just being able to yank them off the shelf w/ no tuning, tuning makes production costs go up) but the 5.3, just isnt a what the doctor ordered.

I would almost gaurentee when the camaro returns, it will be sporting a Base Vette motor, its the most logical and easiest solution to powering the Camaro V8 models.

different exhaust manifolds are much cheaper then different intake, heads and other small adds needed to make the 5.3 hot enough for street performing.

That I agree with and have been preaching for well over a year now... ever since the martian suggested it. :D


hell, thats the kinda stuff dreams are made of :metal: ;)

I'd love to see RS return as a trim level.

Hey, if they're going to have some retro cues on this thing, I'm going to want to order a Z28/RS like pops had back in the day. Have the RS consist of 18"s, ground fx and a different spoiler.

Base
SS
Z28
SS/RS
Z28/RS

That'd give at least four wheel and hood options (Base, SS, Z28, and RS).

To answer the thread question.... All of them! (although it most defiatly WONT)

I'd shat a brick if it has more than 3 models.

Anyone who says the 67-79 Z/28 had "Just" a 302, needs to read up on the 67-69 Z/28. The 302 was underrated at 290 horses. A stock 302 Z/28 vs. a stock SS350 (295 horse) is no contest. The Z/28 will win.

375 Horse 396 cars are fairly rare - less than 5,000 built in 1969, with some 8,000 or so 396 cars with the 325 and 350 horse 396s built. There were more than 20,000 Z/28s built in 1969. While I have no doubt that the 375 horse 396 will show its taillights to a Z on the drag strip, I think a Z vs. the 325 or 350 horse 396 would be closer than you'd think.

So, I think if you were to go back to the streets in 1969, when most SS Camaros running around were of the 350 variety, I think you'd find the Z/28 was, for the most part, the top dog. The SS models were fast, and are extremely cool, but they aren't the all around performance cars the Z/28s were. SS back then was very similar to what Chevy is doing with it today. The Z was something really special - more equivelant to what a Corvette Z06 is to a regular 'Vette.

SS350 package cost $295.00 at the beginning of the '69 model year. Z/28 package was $458, plus the cost of the mandatory heavy duty 4 speed, guage package and power front disc brakes (4 wheel discs recommended). So it was around $900 by the time you were finished ordering - a much more complete performance package.

Never said the 67-69 Z/28 had just a 302. I know they were underrated and could make serious power with a crossram and cam. You mod the 350 right or the 396 and again you could make serious power as well. So no an SS with any less than a 5.7 liter V8 is wrong for many reasons.

Stock for stock, they're still pretty damn slow. I still haven't seen a Mustang break out of the 14s yet at my track, and they're running times similar to my old 89 L98 IROC-Z.

Sad, sad, sad, they shouldn't be in there driving those cars. I can knock down low 14s to 14 flat with my 02 GT and thats carrying 300 lbs of my fat arse and a 1/4 tank of gas and I know I aint got no factory freak, not the way my car was screwed together.

I wonder if the electronic nanny is hobbling these cars that bad?

Naw, just need to get some better drivers

I want the base model to have the LS4 (5.3 V8, 303hp, same as they're using in the new GXP, Impala SS, and Monte Carlo SS). It weighs less than the supercharged 3800, makes more power, makes more torque, and is cheaper to build. It gets better highway gas mileage than the N/A 3800, and still gets decent city mileage.

I want the Z28 and SS to have the same engine, and I want both to be available with an auto or a manual. There are performance enthusiasts in both camps as far as transmissions go, and I see no reason to exclude them. I think the LS2 is a great choice for that engine.

I want the SS to be readily identifiable from a distance, as it is with 4th-gen cars. Hood scoops, stripes, wheels, badging, spoiler and exhaust tips should make it obvious.

I want the Z28 to have a better-flowing, better-sounding exhaust and a firmer suspension.

SS should come with almost all options. Base and Z28 come with almost no options by default, but both can be loaded up to match the SS (except the trademark visual items I mentioned above).

And if, by some random chance, a ZL1 emerges, it should run a 12.001 in the quarter. No roll cage needed!

-Jake

Wow, how un-expected this turned into a Z28 vs SS debate.

:lol:

And if, by some random chance, a ZL1 emerges, it should run a 12.001 in the quarter. No roll cage needed!

-Jake


If the car runs a 11.99 or faster from the factory, it is considered to have the safety for that speed designed into it, and does not require a cage unless extensive modification is done to it, under the new NHRA rules for this that came into effect a few months ago.

Cool, I didn't know that! Thanks.

Never said the 67-69 Z/28 had just a 302. I know they were underrated and could make serious power with a crossram and cam. You mod the 350 right or the 396 and again you could make serious power as well. So no an SS with any less than a 5.7 liter V8 is wrong for many reasons.

And I didn't say that the "2008" SS necessarily should have a 5.3 (though others have) - just that the 302 in the first generation Z is much more of a performance motor than the 350 that was in the old SS350s.

Well I really don't care if it's Z28 or SS over each other. What I care about is the engine lineup.

V6 - LS
Luxury V6 (Optional higher hp V6 - LT
5.3V8 (SS or Z28)
6.0V8 (SS or Z28)

The standard fare which is going to be the Cheaper V8 I still think should be the 5.3L. The 5.3L has enough capability to hit probabably 325+hp which is enough to lay the smack down on a GT mustang without going TOO FAR. Then have the higher HP model to brutally kill the Mustang and potenially run with some special models or whatever... (Enter 6.0L)

Well I really don't care if it's Z28 or SS over each other. What I care about is the engine lineup.

V6 - LS
Luxury V6 (Optional higher hp V6 - LT
5.3V8 (SS or Z28)
6.0V8 (SS or Z28)

The standard fare which is going to be the Cheaper V8 I still think should be the 5.3L. The 5.3L has enough capability to hit probabably 325+hp which is enough to lay the smack down on a GT mustang without going TOO FAR. Then have the higher HP model to brutally kill the Mustang and potenially run with some special models or whatever... (Enter 6.0L)

Why would you want a 300HP something FWD engine when a 400 RWD is avaliable?

[QUOTE=95redLT1]Sounds like a strong hint to me :)[/QUOTE

"Ummmm do you have any LT camaros that I could look at because these LS ones aren't as cool"

" Hey guys check out my Camaro LT! "

"Oh is this a Z/28? No! it's a LT, are you stupid?"

This sounded like a good idea to someone????


TONY

Why would you want a 300HP something FWD engine when a 400 RWD is avaliable?


the 5.3L is not soley FWD or did you forget? Trucks have the RWD version.

Nonetheless---I cannot afford a 400hp V8 Camaro. Wouldn't want to drive that in the winter either. But 300-330hp 5.3L would suit me just fine.(cheaper insurance and gas as well RS trim though! Or even a 4.8L

Sad, sad, sad, they shouldn't be in there driving those cars. I can knock down low 14s to 14 flat with my 02 GT and thats carrying 300 lbs of my fat arse and a 1/4 tank of gas and I know I aint got no factory freak, not the way my car was screwed together.

I wonder if the electronic nanny is hobbling these cars that bad?

Naw, just need to get some better drivers


The 2003 GT's actually feal similar to the 05 GT in reference to speed.

its still a 4.6 :metal:

isn't the 4.8L going to have 300hp in the GMT-900's, and the 5.3L 355hp. Sounds a lot better than mustangs 300hp to me.

TONY

the 5.3L is not soley FWD or did you forget? Trucks have the RWD version.

Nonetheless---I cannot afford a 400hp V8 Camaro. Wouldn't want to drive that in the winter either. But 300-330hp 5.3L would suit me just fine.(cheaper insurance and gas as well RS trim though! Or even a 4.8L

The LS1 @ the crank was putting down close to 400 (if your rounding up lol), its just the natural evolution of things, the beasts claws will get larger as the prey gets larger.

The LS1 @ the crank was putting down close to 400 (if your rounding up lol), its just the natural evolution of things, the beasts claws will get larger as the prey gets larger.

Rounding up an extra 50 horsepower??!?!?!?! No LS1 that is production ready, with accessories, is making anywhere near 400 Horsepower at the crank.

ok, i'll jump in on this one...

someone hinted to the top production output GM has right now, meaning the Z06...

that same someone hinted in another thread that figure might go up in a few years by a good amount....

heres the line-up...

base V-6(possibly named LT or Type-LT)
RS V-6(maybe optional V-8), appearance package, suspension, etc.

THIS IS OPINION ONLY!!!!!!!! -

SS V-8, about 425-450hp
Z/28 V-8, about 500hp

Rounding up an extra 50 horsepower??!?!?!?! No LS1 that is production ready, with accessories, is making anywhere near 400 Horsepower at the crank.


2002 Camaro SS M6

315.2 RWHP add 16% drivetrain loss = 375
327.4 RWTQ add 16% drivetrain loss = 390

Dynoed.

You really give the T56 a lot of efficiency credit. I think that should be the better part of 20% but i be wrong befoo....

I don't know what the motors actually make HP wise, but I would think 16% drivetrain loss in a manual transmission live axle car would be very realistic. Actually, I would think around 12-13% drivetrain loss would be more accurate, which would bring rwhp right about where crank HP should be.

Since we keep bringing up the histiry of the Camaro models and SS/Z28 debate, lets look at one of piece of history, The Base V8. This option needs to return to the line up. IIRC, the Base V8 was one of the better selling models when it was offered. I would love to have a V8 like the one in the Impala but I don't want a SS or Z28 badge to go with it.

It would be nice to see a 5.3 base v8, and the ls2 in a z28 or SS, whatever the next step up is. I have to agree with some of the others on here, I would rather see the 6L in a more performance oriented Camaro than the 5.3, and save an even meaner engine for the top model.

Also, I know some of you think it would be a mockery to reuse the ZL1 nameplate, but I think it would work to Chevy's benefit if they released a very low production, extremely high performance Camaro with a ZL1 badge on it. It would give the car even more of a halo effect. Ford has had plenty of success whoring out many of the old Mustang models, so I don't see why Chevy would be any less successful. I am sure we will see a Boss Mustang finally, in the next few years. Why not a ZL1?

It would be nice to see a 5.3 base v8, and the ls2 in a z28 or SS, whatever the next step up is. I have to agree with some of the others on here, I would rather see the 6L in a more performance oriented Camaro than the 5.3, and save an even meaner engine for the top model.

Also, I know some of you think it would be a mockery to reuse the ZL1 nameplate, but I think it would work to Chevy's benefit if they released a very low production, extremely high performance Camaro with a ZL1 badge on it. It would give the car even more of a halo effect. Ford has had plenty of success whoring out many of the old Mustang models, so I don't see why Chevy would be any less successful. I am sure we will see a Boss Mustang finally, in the next few years. Why not a ZL1?

why do we seem to think on the same bandwidth...

Maybe we are both from the planet "LeadfootedCamaroania" ;)