94 V6 Firebird
08-30-2002, 09:00 AM
#31
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Damn, you are one helluva troll!! If you are so superior, then go challenge people in the LT1 and LS1 forum. Or do you need a bigger ego boost by dissing V6es? 
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--David--
1995 white Firebird 3.4 V6 A4 w/ T-tops
Mods:Kenwood KDC516S stereo, front and rear Alpine speakers, Flowmaster 80 series, Firebat and Autografics decals, Moroso CAI, Painted interior (Silver Metallic), 3 10" MTX Thunder 6000 subs, BMR STB, Zaino, !speed, !horsepower Help CT get a dragstrip!
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--David--
1995 white Firebird 3.4 V6 A4 w/ T-tops
Mods:Kenwood KDC516S stereo, front and rear Alpine speakers, Flowmaster 80 series, Firebat and Autografics decals, Moroso CAI, Painted interior (Silver Metallic), 3 10" MTX Thunder 6000 subs, BMR STB, Zaino, !speed, !horsepower Help CT get a dragstrip!
08-30-2002, 09:02 AM
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Get the Loudmouth and the SLP CAI. And you'll notice a pretty decent gain. That GP price of 160 for the CAI is about the best you'll find for a new one. You can get the Loundmouth here:
http://www.tbyrne.com/v6catalog.html
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94 3.4L A4
Purple Pearl Metallic
108K miles
Perf Mods:
Homemade CAI
TB Bypass
Flowmaster rear section w/ 3" chrome tips
Appearance Mods:
Chrome 5-spoke wheels (from 97 Z28)
http://www.tbyrne.com/v6catalog.html
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94 3.4L A4
Purple Pearl Metallic
108K miles
Perf Mods:
Homemade CAI
TB Bypass
Flowmaster rear section w/ 3" chrome tips
Appearance Mods:
Chrome 5-spoke wheels (from 97 Z28)
08-30-2002, 09:29 AM
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Geez... I never intended a flame war. Some of you guys are just a little too uptight.
But seriously, other than a catback and CAI, what's available? Roller rockers, cams, better intake setups, TB's? CAI and a catback won't do much. Headers other than RKSport? I might even chip in on the mods if they prove worthwhile.
I would like to see her car in the mid 15's if possible. With a CAI, roller rockers, larger TB, headers, hi-flow cat and a cat-back are mid-low 15's possible with an auto 3.4?
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1985 Z28, Jasper Class 1 350, Edelbrock Performer intake, Dual snorkel air cleaner w/K&N, SLP 1 3/4", Catco cat, Hooker cat-back, built 700r4 w/ Darrell Young 2400 stall TC, Jet stage 2 chip, SSM subframes, Lakewood LCA's, Powertrax locker w/stock 3.23's, GM 17x9 ZR-1's with Nitto DR's
But seriously, other than a catback and CAI, what's available? Roller rockers, cams, better intake setups, TB's? CAI and a catback won't do much. Headers other than RKSport? I might even chip in on the mods if they prove worthwhile.
I would like to see her car in the mid 15's if possible. With a CAI, roller rockers, larger TB, headers, hi-flow cat and a cat-back are mid-low 15's possible with an auto 3.4?
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1985 Z28, Jasper Class 1 350, Edelbrock Performer intake, Dual snorkel air cleaner w/K&N, SLP 1 3/4", Catco cat, Hooker cat-back, built 700r4 w/ Darrell Young 2400 stall TC, Jet stage 2 chip, SSM subframes, Lakewood LCA's, Powertrax locker w/stock 3.23's, GM 17x9 ZR-1's with Nitto DR's
08-30-2002, 11:52 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Marc 85Z28:
Geez... I never intended a flame war. Some of you guys are just a little too uptight.
But seriously, other than a catback and CAI, what's available? Roller rockers, cams, better intake setups, TB's? CAI and a catback won't do much. Headers other than RKSport? I might even chip in on the mods if they prove worthwhile.
I would like to see her car in the mid 15's if possible. With a CAI, roller rockers, larger TB, headers, hi-flow cat and a cat-back are mid-low 15's possible with an auto 3.4?
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Geez... I never intended a flame war. Some of you guys are just a little too uptight.
But seriously, other than a catback and CAI, what's available? Roller rockers, cams, better intake setups, TB's? CAI and a catback won't do much. Headers other than RKSport? I might even chip in on the mods if they prove worthwhile.
I would like to see her car in the mid 15's if possible. With a CAI, roller rockers, larger TB, headers, hi-flow cat and a cat-back are mid-low 15's possible with an auto 3.4?
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94 3.4L Camaro A4
Performance Mods: Rksport Headers , Borla Exhaust , Moroso CAI .
Appearance Mods: Zroc Big block (stinger) hood , RS 3 piece spoiler.
[This message has been edited by Ryan94V6 (edited August 30, 2002).]
08-30-2002, 03:50 PM
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I thought she only had $500 to work with? You wont get any farther than intake and exhaust with that. Other recommended mods are:
-3.42 gears
-LSD
-1 piece driveshaft (LS1 or 1LE are good aluminum ones but the LT1 steel is much cheaper, just make sure it's balanced.)
-Pacesetter Headers (I don't know if they're still available, try www.jcwhitney.com )
-Hi-flow cat
-bigger I and Y-pipes
-LT1 TB can be made to fit the intake w/ some fabrication...ask Tiago)
-Trans-go shift kit
-Stall converter
Those bolt-on mods should get you low 15's no problem.
[This message has been edited by 94GrayV6 (edited August 30, 2002).]
-3.42 gears
-LSD
-1 piece driveshaft (LS1 or 1LE are good aluminum ones but the LT1 steel is much cheaper, just make sure it's balanced.)
-Pacesetter Headers (I don't know if they're still available, try www.jcwhitney.com )
-Hi-flow cat
-bigger I and Y-pipes
-LT1 TB can be made to fit the intake w/ some fabrication...ask Tiago)
-Trans-go shift kit
-Stall converter
Those bolt-on mods should get you low 15's no problem.
[This message has been edited by 94GrayV6 (edited August 30, 2002).]
08-30-2002, 05:06 PM
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$500 goes a LONG way. I never pay full price for new parts - IF I buy new. Built my car for a total outlay of less than $10K. And that's three different wheel/tire combos and two different exhaust setups. And because I'm an ASE and Ford certified technician with access to the dealer shop I work at, labor is free 
Besides, if the first few mods are successful, I'll chip in. It would be worth the money to see the look on my coworkers face when his 96 Mustang GT auto gets stomped by a 3.4 FBod
I thought the V6's came with decent gears. Maybe there's a difference between the autos and manuals? I've already located a 3.42 rear out of a 95 6 speed with 45K miles for $200 with brakes. I was going to put it in my car but I probably just going to save up for a 12 bolt. Other than speedo calibrations that need to be made, what about the ABS. ABS calibrations should be the same for both the drum and disc rear correct?
The car already has a single piece steel DS. I thought that was unusual...
Ryan94V6 - that loss of low end torque might be due to the fact that your headers are 1 3/4" primaries - too big IMO for a 3.4 That's one reason why I don't want the RKSports.
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1985 Z28, Jasper Class 1 350, Edelbrock Performer intake, Dual snorkel air cleaner w/K&N, SLP 1 3/4", Catco cat, Hooker cat-back, built 700r4 w/ Darrell Young 2400 stall TC, Jet stage 2 chip, SSM subframes, Lakewood LCA's, Powertrax locker w/stock 3.23's, GM 17x9 ZR-1's with Nitto DR's
Besides, if the first few mods are successful, I'll chip in. It would be worth the money to see the look on my coworkers face when his 96 Mustang GT auto gets stomped by a 3.4 FBod I thought the V6's came with decent gears. Maybe there's a difference between the autos and manuals? I've already located a 3.42 rear out of a 95 6 speed with 45K miles for $200 with brakes. I was going to put it in my car but I probably just going to save up for a 12 bolt. Other than speedo calibrations that need to be made, what about the ABS. ABS calibrations should be the same for both the drum and disc rear correct?
The car already has a single piece steel DS. I thought that was unusual...
Ryan94V6 - that loss of low end torque might be due to the fact that your headers are 1 3/4" primaries - too big IMO for a 3.4 That's one reason why I don't want the RKSports.
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1985 Z28, Jasper Class 1 350, Edelbrock Performer intake, Dual snorkel air cleaner w/K&N, SLP 1 3/4", Catco cat, Hooker cat-back, built 700r4 w/ Darrell Young 2400 stall TC, Jet stage 2 chip, SSM subframes, Lakewood LCA's, Powertrax locker w/stock 3.23's, GM 17x9 ZR-1's with Nitto DR's
08-31-2002, 12:14 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Marc 85Z28:
Ryan94V6 - that loss of low end torque might be due to the fact that your headers are 1 3/4" primaries - too big IMO for a 3.4 That's one reason why I don't want the RKSports.
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Ryan94V6 - that loss of low end torque might be due to the fact that your headers are 1 3/4" primaries - too big IMO for a 3.4 That's one reason why I don't want the RKSports.
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94 3.4L Camaro A4
Performance Mods: Rksport Headers , Borla Exhaust , Moroso CAI .
Appearance Mods: Zroc Big block (stinger) hood , RS 3 piece spoiler.
08-31-2002, 03:42 PM
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Fitment has nothing to do with it. The tubes are too large - killing exhaust velocity and low end torque. You shouldn't need 1 3/4" primaries till around 400HP+ Low compression wouldn't hurt low end power ONLY once the exhaust is modified. So you wouldn't lose it, it's was never there. The reason your lost low end torque is because you "traded" it for higher RPM HP.
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1985 Z28, Jasper Class 1 350, Edelbrock Performer intake, Dual snorkel air cleaner w/K&N, SLP 1 3/4", Catco cat, Hooker cat-back, built 700r4 w/ Darrell Young 2400 stall TC, Jet stage 2 chip, SSM subframes, Lakewood LCA's, Powertrax locker w/stock 3.23's, GM 17x9 ZR-1's with Nitto DR's
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1985 Z28, Jasper Class 1 350, Edelbrock Performer intake, Dual snorkel air cleaner w/K&N, SLP 1 3/4", Catco cat, Hooker cat-back, built 700r4 w/ Darrell Young 2400 stall TC, Jet stage 2 chip, SSM subframes, Lakewood LCA's, Powertrax locker w/stock 3.23's, GM 17x9 ZR-1's with Nitto DR's
08-31-2002, 11:42 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Marc 85Z28:
Fitment has nothing to do with it. The tubes are too large - killing exhaust velocity and low end torque. You shouldn't need 1 3/4" primaries till around 400HP+ Low compression wouldn't hurt low end power ONLY once the exhaust is modified. So you wouldn't lose it, it's was never there. The reason your lost low end torque is because you "traded" it for higher RPM HP.
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Fitment has nothing to do with it. The tubes are too large - killing exhaust velocity and low end torque. You shouldn't need 1 3/4" primaries till around 400HP+ Low compression wouldn't hurt low end power ONLY once the exhaust is modified. So you wouldn't lose it, it's was never there. The reason your lost low end torque is because you "traded" it for higher RPM HP.
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94 3.4L Camaro A4
Performance Mods: Rksport Headers , Borla Exhaust , Moroso CAI .
Appearance Mods: Zroc Big block (stinger) hood , RS 3 piece spoiler.
09-01-2002, 12:20 AM
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Yes, the 3.42s and LSD will take away that sluggish off the line feeling. BTW, once you're done with that, take it to the track. Maybe you can de-thrown Eric (MustangEater82) 
[This message has been edited by 94GrayV6 (edited September 01, 2002).]
[This message has been edited by 94GrayV6 (edited September 01, 2002).]
09-01-2002, 11:40 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 94GrayV6:
Yes, the 3.42s and LSD will take away that sluggish off the line feeling. BTW, once you're done with that, take it to the track. Maybe you can de-thrown Eric (MustangEater82)
[This message has been edited by 94GrayV6 (edited September 01, 2002).]</font>
Yes, the 3.42s and LSD will take away that sluggish off the line feeling. BTW, once you're done with that, take it to the track. Maybe you can de-thrown Eric (MustangEater82)
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94 3.4L Camaro A4
Performance Mods: Rksport Headers , Borla Exhaust , Moroso CAI .
Appearance Mods: Zroc Big block (stinger) hood , RS 3 piece spoiler.
09-01-2002, 11:11 PM
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Loss of low end torque on a 3.4L.
not sure about you guys, but my car has more torque then it knows what to do with(compared to its own HP)
I doubt the headers will hurt the toruqe too much, no more then me runing a no I-pip and muffler, jsut a $15 high flow muffler.
Off the line response? how is you fuel system? clean and running fine? Igniton sytems doing good, sounds like some other tuning issue over jsut needing gears. All 3.4Ls have 3.23s, which are not that bad off the line.
As for beating me out... I am sure you guys will do it soon, the mods that are left for me to do are not cheap ones, and my transmission is needing attetnion along with some brake upgrades, and maybe some Kuhmos on an extra set of rims for autoxing.
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-Eric
1994 Medium Quaser Blue Camaro 3.4L V6 w/ 5-speed
Stock blocked, boltons only.
15.696@86.22 with a 2.214 60'!
Best R/T .507 Best 60' 2.078
Father's Stock 2000 Navy Blue Camaro 3.8L V6 w/ 5-speed
15.875@88.25 With wheel spin in 1st
3.4L F-body where 15s are fast....
www.fbodyv6.com
www.firebirdv6.com
www.camaroz28.com
AIM: MustangEater82
not sure about you guys, but my car has more torque then it knows what to do with(compared to its own HP)
I doubt the headers will hurt the toruqe too much, no more then me runing a no I-pip and muffler, jsut a $15 high flow muffler.
Off the line response? how is you fuel system? clean and running fine? Igniton sytems doing good, sounds like some other tuning issue over jsut needing gears. All 3.4Ls have 3.23s, which are not that bad off the line.
As for beating me out... I am sure you guys will do it soon, the mods that are left for me to do are not cheap ones, and my transmission is needing attetnion along with some brake upgrades, and maybe some Kuhmos on an extra set of rims for autoxing.
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-Eric
1994 Medium Quaser Blue Camaro 3.4L V6 w/ 5-speed
Stock blocked, boltons only.
15.696@86.22 with a 2.214 60'!
Best R/T .507 Best 60' 2.078
Father's Stock 2000 Navy Blue Camaro 3.8L V6 w/ 5-speed
15.875@88.25 With wheel spin in 1st
3.4L F-body where 15s are fast....
www.fbodyv6.com
www.firebirdv6.com
www.camaroz28.com
AIM: MustangEater82
09-01-2002, 11:31 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MustangEater82:
Loss of low end torque on a 3.4L.
not sure about you guys, but my car has more torque then it knows what to do with(compared to its own HP)
I doubt the headers will hurt the toruqe too much, no more then me runing a no I-pip and muffler, jsut a $15 high flow muffler.
Off the line response? how is you fuel system? clean and running fine? Igniton sytems doing good, sounds like some other tuning issue over jsut needing gears. All 3.4Ls have 3.23s, which are not that bad off the line.
As for beating me out... I am sure you guys will do it soon, the mods that are left for me to do are not cheap ones, and my transmission is needing attetnion along with some brake upgrades, and maybe some Kuhmos on an extra set of rims for autoxing.
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Loss of low end torque on a 3.4L.
not sure about you guys, but my car has more torque then it knows what to do with(compared to its own HP)
I doubt the headers will hurt the toruqe too much, no more then me runing a no I-pip and muffler, jsut a $15 high flow muffler.
Off the line response? how is you fuel system? clean and running fine? Igniton sytems doing good, sounds like some other tuning issue over jsut needing gears. All 3.4Ls have 3.23s, which are not that bad off the line.
As for beating me out... I am sure you guys will do it soon, the mods that are left for me to do are not cheap ones, and my transmission is needing attetnion along with some brake upgrades, and maybe some Kuhmos on an extra set of rims for autoxing.
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94 3.4L Camaro A4
Performance Mods: Rksport Headers , Borla Exhaust , Moroso CAI .
Appearance Mods: Zroc Big block (stinger) hood , RS 3 piece spoiler.
09-01-2002, 11:36 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ryan94V6:
Well , my headers are fixed now so my car sounds alittle better and is alot faster now , and it feels alot faster in top in also. Everything in my car is fine , I just had a tuneup done to it . My next mod soon will be 3.42's and LSD , and by December and January I should have a stage 2 jet chip , maybe an intake manifold , or if I could find a torque converter for cheap then ill get that to.
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Well , my headers are fixed now so my car sounds alittle better and is alot faster now , and it feels alot faster in top in also. Everything in my car is fine , I just had a tuneup done to it . My next mod soon will be 3.42's and LSD , and by December and January I should have a stage 2 jet chip , maybe an intake manifold , or if I could find a torque converter for cheap then ill get that to.
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nice topend is what my car needs, I got tons of midrange and low end torque, sucks, My race is based about my 1./8th mile, because I will be losing past that i jsut need ot get enough of a lead to beat them in the firstplace.
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-Eric
1994 Medium Quaser Blue Camaro 3.4L V6 w/ 5-speed
Stock blocked, boltons only.
15.696@86.22 with a 2.214 60'!
Best R/T .507 Best 60' 2.078
Father's Stock 2000 Navy Blue Camaro 3.8L V6 w/ 5-speed
15.875@88.25 With wheel spin in 1st
3.4L F-body where 15s are fast....
www.fbodyv6.com
www.firebirdv6.com
www.camaroz28.com
AIM: MustangEater82
09-02-2002, 06:10 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MustangEater82:
nice topend is what my car needs, I got tons of midrange and low end torque, sucks, My race is based about my 1./8th mile, because I will be losing past that i jsut need ot get enough of a lead to beat them in the firstplace.
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nice topend is what my car needs, I got tons of midrange and low end torque, sucks, My race is based about my 1./8th mile, because I will be losing past that i jsut need ot get enough of a lead to beat them in the firstplace.
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I will post the outcome of the race soon enough on the V6 boards.------------------
94 3.4L Camaro A4
Performance Mods: Rksport Headers , Borla Exhaust , Moroso CAI .
Appearance Mods: Zroc Big block (stinger) hood , RS 3 piece spoiler.
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