Psh, I usually just invite them to a 3 lane dead end on the north side of town, that has a bit of open highway on the way.

They usually shut the hell up.

 

Your town = AWESOME. No where decent to race in Pittsburgh ... If their straight, their either miles and miles away from my house, bridges that are bumpy/full of pot holes (Cause PA has issues with making any road/bridge smooth), or in cop-infested areas lol.

 

Couldnt agree more, my dad had a metro i loved driving it in HS because i could put $5 in it and drive all night, that little thing survided two deer at once and a barn door falling on it, but getting rear ended by an explorer finished it off! lol

 

For some reason LS1 owners really have a grudge on Lt1's ( I wonder why). If you have a 96-97 LT1 versus a 98-99 Ls1 chances are its even if not the LT1 wins by low end torque. But Lt1 versus a 2002 Ls1 then the Ls1 has a better chance. LS1 is a great car for top end like the highway and I lost to a Ls1 on the highway but from a stop or punching it at 55 MPH I can hang for a long time and creep out but once I go past 140 the LS1 always kicks my ***. But my car is mostly stock, have 150,000 miles, LT1's are a little bit heavier, and my car has the original Auto still. And also factor that LS1 heads and intake is better, throttle body is better, the rockers, they don't have a cam driven water pump that eats 11 HP on the LT1's, LT1 blocks weigh a little more then a 100 pounds, LT1 owners have a steel shaft rather than the aluminum that the LS1. But if you fix these little drawbacks on the LT1's then watch out.Lt1 was just way so restricted in breathing and wasting HP from numerous things this like what I stated. LS1 aren't that great stock but they are awesome when modded!! So you LS1 owners think and do some homework and read about the LT1. Its what made camaro live from the Mustang days. IF LS1 owners have to hate hate the imports or the mustangs.Comon were family, LOL.

 

What?

Let me enlighten you on a few points. The 98-99 LS1's were not that much slower then the 00-02's. The only significant upgrades was the LS6 intake on the 01-02 and the exhaust manifolds flowed slightly better. All in all it was about 10-15 rwhp in gains or a .15 better at the track.

Ford did a article years ago where they sized up the compitition and they ran a 12.9 @ 108 in a 99 Z29 M6. My A4 ran solid 13.5 @ 103-104 when I was stock. 96-97 LT1's were still lucky to break into 13's and they were no where near 12's.

140 Are you serious? Stock for stock and mod for mod the LS1 will generally stay side by side 0-60, pull car lengths 60-100 and pull bus lengths 100+.

The LS1 was restricted as well. That's why a lid gives us 5-10 rwhp, catbacks are good for 7-12 rwhp and LT headers add 20-25 rwhp. Very similiar gains to what a CAI, catback and LT's add to the LT1.

high 12's to mid 13's stock may be great to some and slow to others. Depends on your personal perspective. I think it's pretty darn good. For a starting point

I've been doing my homework for the last 15 years. I used to have a 95 Z28 and I now own a 99 Formula. Here is a good thread on the potential of the LS1.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=879218

The new LS1 bolt on record is now 10.6 @ 122.9

There is nothing wrong with the LT1. They are great motors that when done right can make tons of HP and torque. But you gotta face the facts. Stock for stock, mod for mod and stroker for stroker the LS1 is quicker and faster.

 

Could it be you feel this way because...hmmmmm
YOU own an LT1 ?

 

You guys get so pissed off and I complimented the LS1. LS1 was not restricted only intake and exhaust.

GM knew the potential of the LS1 down the road. I'm just stating that people diss the Lt1. They don't wanna hear it. I think the LT1 for its time was the most advance motor. It was the last true 350 block and acts like its old school. For its time it had so much power. The vette which had the same motor pushed alittle more then 300 HP and in 1991 or 1992 That was impressive. Lt4 same motor had 330HP. LT5 which was a DOHC Lt1 with a lotus style techniques pushed 405 HP and 385 Torque. I had a chance to buy a 1998 camaro but sitting and driving in my 1997 Lt1 I made a great choice and have so much money that I saved. Plus the LS1 are known to drink a quart every 2,500 miles.Hey and its a annv year and the front facial is way better. Best year with the rear lights, last year of the front facial kit and the new dashboard and I love how I touch the gas and it spins the tires and when you idle it and touch the gas it tilts the car to one side. I love the torque. Ls1 never interest me and I worked at a chevy dealership an drove about 20 Lt1 cars and about 50 Ls1 cars. Ls1 motors are only great for gas mileage on the highway and after market stuff but thats to much money to spend for the car and the aftermarket stuff.

 

The lt1 has a less refined suspension so the car "feels" faster off the line. Stock for stock and mod for mod there is no comparison. I will without fear face off against a stock or lightly modded lt1. I will run an LS1 but I do fear every one of them.

I loved my lt1 but I knew my pecking order. Once modding begins then sure the lt1 could win but the LS1 is and will always be the better platform. Stock for stock and mod for mod the LS1 is running away from a lt1.

 

Only intake and exhaust? They also came with crappy rearends, too small of stalls, too small of cams and some autos had the crappy 2.73's. Very similair to the LT1.

I agree with all that. In 1993 the LT1 was a beast compared to what it replaced and who it's compitition was.

Sounds to me like you're trying to convince yourself why the LT1 is better for you. If you're happy then that's all that matters. As for me I upgraded as soon as I could afford it. Considering my track results for just basic bolt ons I know I made the right choice. Comparing my LT1 to my LS1 stock for stock I'd say 0-60 was about the same (ls1 may have been a hair quicker) but 0-100 or 0-140 and my LT1 couldn't touch my LS1.

 

I have a 94 Z28 and I raced my friends 02 WS6. We both have 6 speeds and intakes, but i also have a full exhaust system. We raced on a back road outside of town and i beat him all the way down the road. At 140 i was pullin away from him as hard but he was not comin back on me.

 

Hard to believe you pulled him on top end.

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

Well that could be where my 4.10 helped, cause i was getting up to speed faster. I would be happy to race him again though. Really i didn't think i would win though cause he has the 9.5" wide stock rims, with some performance tires on, and traction is a problem in my car. Could've also been the driver though, cause i have raced quite a bit more than him.

 

Sorry i read my first message and i was more holding my ground at top end.

 

Good kill
I owned a '97 WS6 M6 T/A and I traded it on a '00 M6 T/A.There really is'nt that much of a difference in off the line performance with the LT1 with a very slight advantage.All a LS1 needs is a gear change to bring the rpms up a little quicker and it would be a different story. But what I am immpressed with how the LS1 just pulls and pulls right up to redline.