Like me? That's probably because around here all I see are bone stock ones or ones with a k&n filter & flowmasters. And for some reason they think they're the fastest thing on the road. Well, I see that with a lot of cars, so nothing against the stang in particular, of course... My favorite is the soccer moms They floor it and I play around with them, when they pass me doing 10 or 15 over the speed limit they act like they're doing nothing out of the ordinary...

And no I was not doubting the abilities of your car, and no wonder, it's nowhere near stock. A torque comparison between a LT1 and a sohc 4.6 is pretty one sided, as is a top-end comparison between the sohc and the dohc. And I know how you feel about the underdog thing. I could have always gotten an LS1, but the LT1 was cheaper, and it still has it's pluses over the LS1. Namely sound, responsiveness and the "grunt" factor.

 

Dont use words you don't know how to spell...its acceleration not exceleration(you miss spelled it for the second time now). There has been more than one stock LS1 in the 12.8's, I dont really think .4 is that big of a gap(especially vs. a car with a blower). I think a 98 Z28 vs. a 98 GT is a big gap(around a 2 second gap in the 1/4).

How does does a GT smoke an LT1, when Motor Trend themselves got a Firehawk to run a 13.5 back in 1995? Thats 10 years ago. From what Ive seen most GT's are running 13.7-14.5, sounds like LT1 territory. Regardless its not as fast as the last Z28 made(LS1), a car they stopped making 3 years ago as you said.

 

gt's are not an issue, and i think that i would have had the mach 1 if i didnt miss fifth, he wasnt going anywhere, he got the jump and if i would have been in third he very well might have had an issue, ive ran a couple of gt's fast but not enough. im gonna go due a complete tune up and go huntin', ill let you guys know, having as fuel filter with 90,000 miles on it probably isnt helping my top end much huh!! how about a spark plug with 140,000 miles on it couldnt reach it when it had 40,000 on it, so left it alone. i know,

 

You keep using the backing that the f-body isnt made anymore in arguing that the Mustang is superior(a stupid point). When I make it a point that your arguing for mustangs that they dont even make anymore you turn around and say you meant "recent". Well they no longer make either and the GT is now the fastest Mustang made, and the GTO is the fastest in the "pony car" segment(if you want to call it that). Otherwise if your going to bring up the Cobra, Ill bring up the '02 Z28 vs '05 GT arguement.

 

I dont think your grasping the concept that the 04 model year just ended, and the last camaro was made 3 years ago...Ok, so if you wanna make it extremely technical I guess the only car they make is the mustang GT...Seeing that I just saw a stock GT run a 13.3 posted here and only being out a few weeks and the best GTO time being right around that(w/ most running low 14's high 13's) Ill argue the point on whos faster til the LS2 model comes out or theres more 05 GTs out there. Either way you look at it the Cobra is still much faster then the fbody, GTO, or whatever other GM you wanna pull outta the woods(regardless if you dont like fords or not) so fords still at the top....as for the LS2 GTO, the 04 Cobra will still be at the top, that boat even w/ the LS2 wont be turning those times, he!! the MUCH lighter c6 has yet to do it...Back to my original point, Fords still faster at this point even with only producing the GT for this model year...w/ the stang platform still going strong and GM only having the hefty bland lookin GTO in there arsenal.

 

And I dont think your grasping anything. THEY NO LONGER MAKE MACH1'S OR COBRA'S, AS IN YOU CAN NO LONGER GO ON FORDS WEBSITE AND ORDER ONE, JUST LIKE YOU CANT ORDER AN FBODY. ITS YOUR STUPID POINT NOT MINE, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

I read the thread on the GT, it was written by a guy who apparently didnt know much about them(as he didnt seem impressed by the time). Therefor the story is unconfirmed, as in we dont know if the car was stripped, airfilter removed, etc. You didnt see it with your own eyes, or have any factual backing other than his word, so its an illegitimate point. Regardless I have seen posts on ls1tech with PROOF of GTO's running 13.1-13.2 stock. So again your point is proven wrong.

Seeing how MT got a C6 to run a 12.6 vs. a Cobras 13.0 your point is again invalid.(If someone can shave .6 off a Cobra, Im sure someone can shave .3 off a vette) The GTO weighs no more than a cobra you goof so how are they a boat?

 

Antz97ZNJ<~~~ Would somebody please shoot this guy

 

I agree with you 100% And you're right, my car isn't even close to being stock nor do I act like it is. The only items left stock is the paint, the interior (yes I run full interior), and well..... did I mention the paint? LOL.

P.S. I don't have "4.6" badges on the car any longer. I actually had some "284" emblems custom done just so there is no mistaking me for a "stock" car.

Cheers,
Tim

 

So your PROOF is by reading about GTOs on LS1tech and thats valid but reading something here isnt, man you got me ...JDM engineering ran a new GT to 13.4 bone stock but i guess thats made up also because it came from a stang site...Since when has anyone went by what Motor Trend runs to show the potential of what a car can do...The majority of 6spd LS1's they tested ran high 13's.The Cobra has been run numerous times to a 12.4 stock, it was done by JDM engineering, MM&FF , along w/ several other Cobra Owners...yes the Cobra and GTO's weight is similar...the only differance is that the Cobra puts about 70 more hp to the wheels stock. Throw a pulley, some tuning,and exhaust work on it and your looking at 500 rwhp...good luck getting your fbody or GTO anywhere near that without some serious work....Keeping postin if ya like but I made my point here...Have a nice day

 

Let me make one of my own. I'm not exactly sure which issue, for some reason October 2001? sounds familiar, has a yellow 01 Cobra on the front cover that they had tested, when Ford first released after the '99 had long been ceased due to w/e those reasons were. Well, in that issue, I remember that they had picked up either a Y2K or an '01 SS, red, 6 speed, and t-top to compare it to the '01 cobra. Go pick up and read it for yourself. High 12s, in the heat of the day, 80% humidy, 1/4 tank of gas, on factory gears and tires And yes, this was MM&FF.... I beleive their best time was a 12.87, and cannot remember the trap speed. No high-dollar fancy-*** blower. Ugly, un-attractive pushrods. But still 28-30mpg

~Jon

 

Uhh did you ever think maybe those GTO's posted timeslips/videos? Seeing how your unable to remember what your wrote before, I never questioned the JDM mustang considering how it was never brought up in your previous post. I questioned a completely different mustang brought up in a different thread. I completely believe the time run by the JDM mustang(I read an article about it in Hot Rod), but if you arent too good at math a 13.1-13.2 is faster than than a 13.4. And of course thats comparing an '04 model year GTO to an '05 model Mustang GT(we could compare it to an '04 GT if you want). Just wait until the '05 GTO's come out, then we'll see.

You dont seem to good at reading, where did I say Motor Trends was the definitive source? I compared their Cobra time(13.0) to the time they got out of a C6(12.6). I was making the point that if someone could cut .6 off their time with a Cobra, and as you mentioned .8-.9 of their Z28 time, Im sure someone could cut .3 off with a C6 and best the fastest known stock Cobra. Crap they already have C6's running 11.5's with minor bolt ons, Im sure they can squeeze a 12.3 stock.


It takes a little more than a pulley, exhaust, a tune to get 500rwhp from a Cobra. I know a guy with pretty much every bolt on,a pulley,and tuning but still a stock motor/unported blower that made 465rwhp. My friend wanted to race him with his bolt on/cam LS1(408rwhp), but he wasnt willing to go from a stop(his best time was a 12.3 with all that power). So we raced him from a 30 roll and sadly he was barely pulling away(if at all) despite getting the jump. Im sure once the GTO gets the LS2, with a cam and boltons it'll probably be putting down in the 430-440rwhp range, with ported heads in the 460-500rwhp range(seeing how even LS1's can pull that off).

And I noticed you mentioned Ford had GM beat in performance? With a 300hp Mustang GT and a very limited run 550hp GT? I havent seen too many GT's as of yet(saw one at a dealer with a $300k asking price), so they dont play too much of a roll. GM has what? The C6, GTO, CTS-V, SSR(now with the LS2 as well) as well as their lower level performance cars (GTP, etc)for now. Within a year they'll have a 500+hp Z06, a 500+hp CTS-V, a 400+hp STS-V, not to mention the possibility of a new Camaro, and a 700+hp Blue Devil Corvette(that will stomp the new GT).

If you had brought up Chrysler as a arguement I would have conceded(it currently stomps both GM and Ford by far in performance), but you brought up a weak arguement.

 

Oh yeah and heres an LS1 that hit 10's with just bolt ons/weight reduction, sure is dead platform.

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=323279

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246406

Are there any bolt on '03 Cobras with a stock pulley/blower/engine that have pulled that off?

 

Compairing apples to apples, I could take a o3 cobra engine...throw it in a notch with some weight reduction, some exhaust, intake and suspension mods and spank those times. The platform is dead, as they no longer make it...as is the 03/04 cobra.

 

Some of you guys make absolutely silly points. A car program that is officially dead (Fbody) is far different than one where they simply don't offer it for the current year, but will do so shortly (Cobra).

Chevy also doesn't offer an '05 Z06 either, but that's because it will be out for the '06 model year. The same is true of the Cobra. They are working on the models right now, and will go into production soon. The same cannot be said for the Fbody. There are *rumors* that it *might* come back in '07, but nothing definitive.

If you don't understand the difference, you're being purposely dense and closed minded. Or you really just don't understand the difference, and if that's the case, well... you're stupid. Not very PC, but if you can't understand the simple difference between a CANCELLED vehicle line and one that's simply being UPGRADED then you're a moron.

 

Yeah just like the '06 Cobra is a "rumor" right now, we dont even know any of the specs. There arent any on the streets so its not even an arguement.